Thank you. Sounds like a big job with no clear outcome. I'll start with clutch bearings.

The part number for the clutch release is the same as the 201 190d 5 speed. The slave cylinder is also a 201 part particular to the 5 speed 717.4xx. If there is a bearing that is bad you could likely feel it with the transmission out. If you spin the input shaft while in gear the transmission will have a loose easy spinning feel if bearings are worn.

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84 280sl
82 300d euro

Following. I have an '83 and '84 300D, both of which have the 717.400. I hope to never have to rebuild them, but if there is a hidden source that's willing to make, or is hoarding NOS parts, it'd be good to know. I called a lot of places around the country with no luck on parts. So far neither of my 5 speeds rattle at idle (my 716.xx 240d does like crazy though) and one has some minor humming through 2nd and 3rd gear, but nothing crazy. I change the fluid pretty frequently and hope that they will last me a while.

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'84 300D Euro 5 spd
'83 240D 4spd
'83 300D/5 spd manual/Lifted+28" AT Tires
'83 300SD
'10 E63

Parting out- '79 Euro 280TE Green/Green & '89 300SEL White/Grey

5 speed release bearing for 717.400
A 001 250 2315
slave cylinder for 5 speed 717.400
A 201 290 0311
These are specific for the 717 and differ from the 4 speed setup by as much as a Cm . Clutch disc and pilot bearing are the same as the 716 4 speed.
Other people may differ, and other parts do function, but consider this true. The correct parts will perform and endure better.

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Chris
84 280sl
82 300d euro

Mercedes Classic Center rebuilds them on an exchange basis or will rebuild yours. I'm sure there are lots of independents that can do it. Try looking for someone rebuilding older BMW & Porsche manual Trans?

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83 280TE- 5 spd, 16.5mm rear sway
85 280SL- 15" Bundts, 5 spd

Dealer price for that is around 5 grand plus a 1 grand core charge. They have rebuild units available for the Gwagon. Last I checked they were $4600 plus $1k core charge. Im sure they are more now. That was nine years ago.

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84 280sl
82 300d euro

I have one to sell, complete, from a euro model 1984 300D. Shifts real smooth and nice. Complete, rear mount, shifter mech with rods, new throwout bearing, driveline, pressure and clutch disc, has new clutch slave and fresh oil. I drove it before pulling it from the 300D. Also have the MB repair manual to rebuild in German and an English translation. I encourage do it your self

Hey man do it yourself. I rebuilt a 716.210 (I think that is right) two in fact, I ainint no genius. With a manual not a huge deal. .... one with the integral gearbox casting and one with bolt on bell housing, 716.005. it is not that difficult, people at MB who build them from scratch do not have PhDsn not even close. I did have to mfr an assembly tool. $6500. I was going to install it in the car in the pic.

Things done on that car in the pic, in case you want to buy it:
all new bushings throughout front and rear, includes subframe and trailing arm bushings
left trailing arm replaced
-including tortion bushes :front
-perfect allignment after front end repair
-swapped in 4 speed manual
-all new michelin tires
-100,000 mi in engine rebuild
-injectors pop pressure adjusted. with new monarch nozzles, includes pop pressure tester
—installed turbo boost controller
-welded on L rear quarter panel
-straitened R rear quarter panel
-all new paint below roof, PPG Deltron good ****, roof area still has very good paint
-new windshield most recently, flawless clear
-refinished reveal trim around windshield
-all new chrome up front grill etc.
-rebuilt SLS system
—-pump, valve, accumulators , spring struts, includes 4 spare spring struts
-spring struts no longer available from mercedes, there is -a procedure to rebuild them with new O rings
-all new bearings and wheel seals front and rear
—new seals in differential, new rubber suspension
vacuum door locks all work now, vacuum system retains vacuum now
- door checks: check
-power windows repaired with new regulators including one spare rear Left regulator, NLA from MB
-new rear hatch lock mechanism installed the minute MB price dropped $350 to $100
-interior upholstery so good I went to E. Washington state to buy this car
-recently repainted alloy rims silver


I cooked up a trans stand from an old VW bug engine stand so the trans can be secure and stable in any orientation in space which is very convenient to keep you (me) sane. It was simple, could furnish a sketch. Also devised a blind bearing puller from imitating what I saw on one of the tool sites , there is a bearing at the front that is flush to the front face of the gearbox casting.

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$6500 for the car, or just the gearbox?

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84 280sl
82 300d euro

I love to see sketches of the stand and puller.

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1995 E420 Schwarz
1995 E300 Weiss
#1987 300D Sturmmachine
#1991 300D Nearly Perfect
#1994 E320 Cabriolet
#1995 E320 Touring
#1985 300D Sedan
OBK #42

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This.

I did the same on a 716.210. Not a difficult or complex job. Not sure where the OP is located but I know of a guy on the ClubG forum who had Wolfgang's in NJ rebuild his 717.412 out of a W461.

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Old Blue - 83 240D 6 speed manual trans, OM648
Green Machine - 2001 Europa G500
87 300SDL Bought on Peachparts. Low-ish miles..?

Family Truckster - 2012 VW Touareg TDI

Patchouli Wagon - 2004 E500 - SOLD
333k mile 97 BMW 750il V12. - SOLD
The Californian - 85 300TD - SOLD
Daily Super Sedan - 03 Audi S8 -SOLD

Not that difficult guys.
Manuals do exist.
I'm no genius, I did a 716.210, worked out fine
Even manufactured a "blind" bearing puller from looking at pics of a fancy schmancy SKF puller

I do not spend time on this board much lately, sorry for late late response.

Haggerty lists these cars now as
$19700 in good condition
$44800 in excellent condition
I figure this 300TD should go for something in between these numbers.

After a ton of sweat of my brow completing the listed restoration items I am now considering installing the 717.400 complete kit I got from a Euro 1984 300D. I drove it prior to pulling that trans, shifts runs real smooth.

The 716.210 already in the 300TD pictured has a noisy bearing almost certainly the rear countershaft bearing which is small , presumably because that was necesesary to get it to fit. If someone wants to replacing that bearing should be easy, you do need a blind bearing puller.

picture a VW bug engine stand. =A 2 inch diameter tube , stationary, welded to a plate mounted on a bench. That tube has a smaller tube inside that rotates with a locking bolt that stabilizes it. That smaller tube has sturdy pipes that arc up and away with "feet" welded to it, they bolt to the top two VW engine mount bolts. We are talkin VW bug engine.

Allow that rotating setup to swing down at rest by gravity. Attach a suitable sized 1 1/4 inch thick piece of plywood to those arcing steel tubes to it is at rest in a position it will rotate 360 degrees and lock in any position.

Refer to the photo , that welded steel bracket, it is bolted to the front and rear lower bolt holes in trans casting, for mounting the transmission in a stand for assembly. Missing from the photo is another steel angle maybe 2 in by 2 in. bolted to the bottom of the bracket shown, it has a large bold hole mounted passing thru the plywood, on the plywood so it will rotate 360 degrees freely on a verticle axis, the horizontal part of the vw stand rotates 360 degrees freely on the horizontal axis. So you can position the trans super stable in any orientation in space, makes assembly so much easier.

The other pic: shows "imitation" SKF puller. The bird beak shape inserts into the space between ball bearings between inner and outer race. Then swing the steel parallel to the shaft so the bird beak perches on the outer race bearing race edge but not where the bearing sphere . I make 3 of those and used the cheap pictured Sears 2 arm puller. 2 on one side on a bent bolt so the two have proper orientation perpendicular to the shaft. I used a hose clamp to stablize 'bird beaks" along the shaft, it worked.

Took a quick look found the SKF blind bearing puller set, $1600 now, about half that years ago when I did this

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The esteemed C.Doner furnished the 717.400 manual I have. Super cool guy.

Thats a lot for the trans only even with the 617 flywheel, shifter + rods, driveshaft, rear trans mount

I have decided to install the trans, keep me busy, presumably make the wagon pictured worth more at sale. Its no longer suitable as a daily driver, I live up a hill, start it , drive down the hill which does not warm it up much, drive around town a bit, park, head back up the hill, it does not run clean until at full temp halfway back up the hill. I don't like that smelly diesel thing but running Propel HPR is nice, very good.

its listed on craigslist now $18000, a wild guess by me, pretty close

haggerty now says
Good condition: 19,700
Excellent condition $44,800

The engine in it was in a sedan so it was automatic trans. I swapped in a 716.210 4 spd years ago. Working real good except a howling in 3d and 4th at a certain range of speed and stress going up a hill.

Mr. Doner, would you expect the 240D part for pilot bearing to slip right in to the crankshaft? I see you specified it .

Many thanks for all your expertise.