Photos of my AMG Hammer - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

truckinik · #16 03-29-2007, 02:34 AM

Seriously considering opening up a shop of my own up here in Ct. I'll just hire a bunch of high caliber guys to do my work for me, and go from there. Full resto, and mod work. We've got quite a few MBZ enthusiasts around here, and would probably lure in some new owners as well. I should get out of the trucking business I swear. This stuff interestsd me more. I'm jealous of the guys who get to work on them all day, in a shop of their own. I've got the financial end of it sewed up, and just need to actually do it. It would sell itself around here. I'd have people waiting to get their cars restored, because there just aren't very many MBZ shops of any kind around this area. Just a few.

truckinik · #17 03-29-2007, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 300EVIL

Why don't you drop an M119 in that 123. That would be a cool project. Finding a 6.0 32V M117 would be next to impossible and not worth the trouble/money/time.

I should check that idea out. I need more power, always, more power..more power..more power. 77HP Diesel is enough to make noise in the driveway, but it is just not what I like to drive around with. I'm obsessed with 300CD's, and can't help myself around them. The solution, is to "mongralize", them as I see fit. I wouldn't do it to my REALLY nice examples of course. The middle of the road cars are the best candidates. I did take a mint, mint mint 81 300CD and drop a small block 383 stroker Chevy with 550 hp, and fuel injection w/six speed stick into one of my others. I wanted to start with as nice a car as possible for the project. The car works, handles, and looks, as if the factory had put it together. Cost me a boat load of money, but runs 10.60's in the quarter mile, on pump gas, and street tires

. It looks entirely stock from the outside, save for the 11" wide rear Bundts I had widened, and the mini tubs which you can only tell it has, from inside the trunk.. Very cool car.

Pics coming soon, as well as time slips from EnglishTown, New Jersey track.

Jim B. · #18 03-29-2007, 05:32 AM

Barry Taylor in Richmond, Calif. once had an original AMG black Hammer sedan he'd brought in from Germany, a gray market one, for sale, maybe it was an '87 (Can't remember now) but he claimed the Hammer was good for 202mph. That's FAST, really fast, more than an E500 for sure.

The Hammer's successor was the W124 AMG E60, I got a ride in one of those that Barry had once, but I don't know anything about them, how they compared to the first Hammer sedans, and the E500. Believe me, they do NOT sound like a typical Mercedes V8. They don't perform like one either.
Talk about neck snapping accelleration!!!

It's an endlessly fascinating subject, about ultra high performance sedans, crazy fast and expensive!, from the days when Mercedes build quality and longevity were at their zenith.

Just the ol' Hotrodder's mantra, again...........Horsepower is just a question of money......how fast do you want to go?

That Hammer mentioned above is a beauty......look at those wheels. I'm familiar with Vladamir's story about its resurrection. It's basically the only RHD one there is. Rarest of the rare. I real collector's car, and even more stealth looking than the 500E, because no flared fenders. Sweet....

Vladamir · #19 03-29-2007, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by truckinik

WOW, That's a pretty heavy thread. I'll keep that info in my 'puter. So they never made the "Hammer" in a 124 Coupe? Too, bad. I'd like to build one of my own. I was never very fond of four door anything..with the exception of Station wagons, big SUV's and Big pick-up trucks.

Just for your info....most of the Hammers were 124 Coupe's......29 Hammers were made of which 5 or 6 were sedans the rest were Coupe's, most of which were sold in the US.

Many thanks for all of your comments by the way....much appreciated.

Somebody, mentioned parts availability....sure, its true that if you wreck a head then its going to be all but imposible to find a replacement head, but the upside is that the heads are very strong and that you can get all of the replacement moving parts or have them made up for you by an engineering shop....I had to have all of the timing gears for one head made and all of the valve's were also replaced, along with oil seals etc etc. I also had to have a new engine block fitted as that was what took my car off the road in the first place (long story and before I owned the car, but effectively the engine was wrecked by a mechanic over torquing the heli-coils that held one of the heads to the block....fractured the back of the block but the head was fine....I bought the car with the engine in pieces and out of the car) Thankfully as my Hammer is an early version using the 5.0 Quad Cam I was able to use a stock M117 5.0 block as a replacement.

t walgamuth · #20 03-29-2007, 06:38 AM

i think you will find interference at the fender wells on that combo.

tom w

Vladamir · #21 03-29-2007, 06:59 AM

No interference at all......car has rolled lips and the tires never touch....The Aero 1's as fitted to my car were specifically designed for the Hammer.

POS · #22 03-29-2007, 09:43 AM

Stunning car.

t walgamuth · #23 03-29-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Vladamir

No interference at all......car has rolled lips and the tires never touch....The Aero 1's as fitted to my car were specifically designed for the Hammer.

i meant with the engine, not the tires.

tom w

Vladamir · #24 03-29-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

i meant with the engine, not the tires.

tom w

Now I'm confused.....ehh?

300EVIL · #25 03-29-2007, 11:08 AM

If I remember correctly, it's a tight fit but not as tight as the M119 in the 500E.

Vladamir · #26 03-29-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 300EVIL

If I remember correctly, it's a tight fit but not as tight as the M119 in the 500E.

OK, got you......Yes you're right its a very tight fit, especially for the headers and down pipes and the Heads themselves just clear the rear bulkhead.

300EVIL · #27 03-29-2007, 07:20 PM

Here are some photos of AMG Hammer Coupes:
This is a Wide Body Coupe, Notice the heavily flaired fenders!. Looks Great!

t walgamuth · #28 03-29-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vladamir

OK, got you......Yes you're right its a very tight fit, especially for the headers and down pipes and the Heads themselves just clear the rear bulkhead.

but with a 500e dont they swap in a wider subframe? and maybe widen the inner fenders? i bet they did with the hammer too.

the fellow above was thinking to just drop a v8 into a 300e. i was saying i think he will find interference between the inner fenders and the exhaust manifolds.

i don't really know buy i have looked at a lot of benzes and that is my prediction.

i could be wrong.

actually i just re read the above posts and i believe i was reacting to truckniks proposition to drop in a chebby. and you other fellows got your posts in ahead of mine. so it looked like i was commenting on vladimere's (sorry i must have misspelled your name) not truckniks.

tom w

300EVIL · #29 03-29-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

but with a 500e dont they swap in a wider subframe? and maybe widen the inner fenders? i bet they did with the hammer too.

the fellow above was thinking to just drop a v8 into a 300e. i was saying i think he will find interference between the inner fenders and the exhaust manifolds.

i don't really know buy i have looked at a lot of benzes and that is my prediction.

i could be wrong.

actually i just re read the above posts and i believe i was reacting to truckniks proposition to drop in a chebby. and you other fellows got your posts in ahead of mine. so it looked like i was commenting on vladimere's (sorry i must have misspelled your name) not truckniks.

tom w

Hey Tom,
The 500E did use SL control arms and flared fenders but it appears this is only for a wider stance/track. None of the M119's engine components evade the original wheel well dimensions from what I see.

Now, comparing the E320's firewall to the 500E's.... Big difference. The E320's firewall is more rounded off and smooth where the 500e's is boxy, eapecially around the heads and exhaust manifolds. There are many deep impressions formed in it too make clearence for many components close to the firewall. Another distintive mod on the 500E is the rear seat floor. The factory mats don't fit right because the trans tunnel needded to be widened to move the trans back to fit the block.

Also, the tightest spot is between the wheel well and the head on the drivers side. This is exactly how I remember it on the hammer. Even so, the wheel well appears untouched. After close examination of the 500E engine compartment and the Hammer's engine compartment pictures I'd say their about the same in fitment.

t walgamuth · #30 03-29-2007, 10:22 PM

cool. thanks for the info.

i just assumed (you know the old saying) that with the front wheels moved out and the rear not, that they did it to clear the wider v8. now i have also wondered why the 400e did not seem to have the front wheels moved out. i guess i figured they made more compact exhaust manifolds and gave up some top end airflow on the exhaust.

but you think the control arms are wider and the inner fenders are the same as on a regular 300e?

these cars are just awesome.

the 500e is on my list of wannaowns. the hammer?......well i have never really considered it. i guess i am probably too chicken to take on such a specialized vehicle.

it is awesome though.

tom w