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The picture isn’t too great, but are you sure it really jumped forward?
The gear towards the rear of the engine looks like the gear that drive one camshaft from the other on the OM606 |
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A timing chain guide likely broke, and the chain jumped the broken guide, remove the front timing cover to inspect the guides , if when you reset timing the engine runs ok, replace chain, tensioner and all the rails,
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Something came loose and rode the chain to a weak spot in the valve cover. Sixto 98 E320s sedan and wagon 02 C320 wagon |
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Despite the panic of others, replacing the timing chain and components isn't a big ordeal for those that have repaired engines. I'd rather fix a known good engine than get a high mile unknown used one that might suffer the same failure. This late in the game finding a low mile unit will be difficult and $$$.
Have a look at this pic: http://www.w124performance.com/images/OM606_misc/605_valvetrain1.jpg The chain runs the exhaust cam and a gear drives in intake cam. In your pic it looks like the front half of the exhaust cam chain sprocket broke for unknown reasons. Look at the front most row of chain. Starting from the passenger side there are 2 teeth visible but when moving towards the driver side the teeth are missing. Given the engine still ran smoothly, valve bending didn't occur. As for valve bending / not bending if a chain breaks / cams jump out of time, idle or freeway speed makes not one bit of difference. Valves can be bent by cranking the engine with the starter or even by hand. The best case is when a chain breaks clean , the cam stops and one intake and one exhaust valve of different cylinders bends. There will always be some valves open at any given point in the cams rotation. There are some dual cam engines that are called valve benders but can survive a belt breakage. Supposedly the Chrysler 2.4 used from 2000 to 2010 ish in the PT Cruiser , Stratus , Cirrus and mini vans is an example of maybe maybe not. If the cams stop with valves mostly closed, valve bending won't occur. Worst case is when the chain hops a tooth or more and cam continues to turn. In this case all valves are opening at the wrong times and , depending on if single cam / dual cam + type of drive, either all exhausts or intakes will bend. An example of this is the mid / late 80's 1st gen Buick 3800 V6. The engine can seemingly be running fine, get parked , shut off then won't restart. With these engines, the chain / sprocket wears to the point at shut down the chain hops over a tooth. Not knowing this has occurred, the driver cranks the engine and all of the intake valves bend. ( Might be exhaust, it has been a while since I fixed one of these engines. ) |
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Thanks SL320 and sixto.... I have repaired engines in the past when I was a mechanic so I may take a shot at it.
There appears to be a timing cover just under the valve cover, not much information on line about the OM648 engine, as I believe this is. I suspect that first I'll get the timing marks aligned to insure that it is 100% on time, then I'll go from there. As stated, there are in fact teeth missing from the front of the cam gear, been looking on line for parts, most available are from foreign countries, I'd hate to pay full dealer price for a valve cover or any other simpler parts that need replacing. My question at this point is that since it is apparent that the cam gear's teeth were damaged do I need to replace the timing chain as well? Thanks guys!!!!
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Yes, replace the chain as it has become stressed.
I'd also be looking into pulling the oil pan and removing broken parts. Does this engine have a separate steel lower pan? Have a look on car-part.com this searches participating salvage yards, that might turn up a used valve / timing cover. If that does not work, look for self serve yards. Always get pricing from the dealer network, parts that don't sell in volume through the aftermarket are frequently bought from the dealer parts network and priced much higher. |
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How different is the timing system / valve cover from our guys engine vs a 1995 OM606 ?
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Agreed. There aren’t too many full size cars that can get 45mpg
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While I'm all for supporting this site, over on Rock (of) Auto, they have lots of engine parts on deep discount wholesale clearance. Valve cover gaskets are $ 4 , timing chain $ 66 , guides $ 5 to 6 , tension adjuster $ 57 , oil pump chain $ 17 , intake gasket $ 8 .
I've also found that there is a early 2005 and late 2005 + so be sure to ID your engine not just the car in case parts were changed along the way. |
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You really should drop the oil pan and inspect for debris in the sump. This may also help solve the mystery as to what caused the valve cover to pop in the first place. It may be a miserable job; I'm not sure what's involved. Replacing the valve cover won't be cheap either, new is ~$250 from discount dealers, a used cover may be difficult to locate. If you don't identify the root cause, you'll be really unhappy if you install a new valve cover and have the replacement cover suddenly get extra ventilation like the first. |
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With 200 K miles and the work involved / cost of parts, there is no way I'd put these timing components back into a customers engine.. . or my own. ( And I've put some really patched up engines together for cars for limited use / have limited remaining life. ) |
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My CDI has been sitting since February. I was so disgusted that this happened that I pretty much gave up upon it.
So, it never jumped time and I have verified that by lining up the timing marks. It looks like one of the chain rails let loose and rode the chain up until it was so tight that it broke the valve cover, teeth are also missing from the cam gear so that will have to be replaced as well. Disappointing that a Mercedes Diesel would do this. So, I have worked on engines before, I was actually a mechanic at one point on my life. Guess what I'm asking is just how difficult a job this is and if specialized tools are required? I have a price from a Mercedes Indy who says he can repair it for about 3K. I am still undecided as to whether to fix it or not, the rest of the car is flawless. it was impeccably maintained and I have the service records to prove it... One owner! My question is should I repair it or take the 3k repair cost and try to find another E320 CDI. Thanks guys, any replies or opinions would be grateful appreciated as I am undecided as to how to proceed! Thank you,
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How is this going to cost $ 3K if you fix it yourself?
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