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Old 04-03-2009, 07:30 PM
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300SD or E320 which is better...

So, my brother is getting fedup with his 1995 E320 and wants to give to me for FREE!!! But here is the catch, I have to sell my 300SD, The E320 runs great, it has some tranny problems it wont shift past 2500 rpm i was quoted $750 to rebuild and $300 to Remove and install, but everything in works in that car, engine is very smooth no misfire no engine codes nothing it needs good engine wash, a good touch up paint, So what do you guys think, sell my 300SD and take the E320 or Reject the offer.... The odds of getting another E320 that runs is 1 in 10000000

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Old 04-03-2009, 11:50 PM
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300SD. e320's are junk in comparison.
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Old 04-04-2009, 01:14 AM
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You'll probably get fed up with it too. It definitely not as DIY friendly as an SD.
It was said somewhere in this forum that, "letter first is worst."
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Old 04-04-2009, 02:11 AM
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300SD. e320's are junk in comparison.
Easy there... My E320 has taken over city driving, which my diesels are not best suited for. If I had to choose, though, it would be the diesel without hesitation.
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Old 04-04-2009, 02:14 AM
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300SD by far.....I do like the gassers, they are smooth and fun, but they become a LOT less fun when something goes wrong.

I'd never give up my diesel for a gasser.
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:22 AM
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You're honestly asking this question in Diesel Discussion?
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Old 04-04-2009, 08:57 AM
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You're honestly asking this question in Diesel Discussion?

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Old 04-04-2009, 09:28 AM
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You're honestly asking this question in Diesel Discussion?
Sorta like asking the La Leche League, bottles or breast fed. I think he already knows the answer and just wanted confirmation from the diesel crew.
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Old 04-04-2009, 12:34 PM
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well i asked this question in the diesel forum is because some of you guys have a 300SD and a E320.... Man is this a tough decision...
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2008 E320 Bluetec 127k mi
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if you get a E320 get a later one with the V6 since they are better than the first generation of the E320.
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Old 04-04-2009, 02:30 PM
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:08 PM
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How would your brother feel if you sold the E after six months or a year? Here's a thought... Sell the SD, fix up the E, sell the E, buy another nice SD with the money you got for both cars. Seems like a profit opportunity to me, but not without some work involved.
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:17 PM
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The odds of getting another E320 that runs is 1 in 10000000
What? Running 95 E320s are all over the place.

How sure are you it's a bad tranny? It might be something else but you won't know until you're $1050 into it.

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Old 04-04-2009, 03:51 PM
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What's wrong with your SD? Why would you have to get rid of it? Solve the 'having to get rid of' issue and keep both.
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Old 04-04-2009, 10:56 PM
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I'd take the E320 "hands down" if the transmission were straight. The non-functioning transmission is a bit of a wild card though.

The E320 has about 150hp more than the SD, will hit 60 before the SD gets its boost on. The fuel mileage is pretty close but the E320 burns (currently more expensive) premium.

The 126 vs 124 thing is up to you, kind of like 123 vs 12x, it's all about taste. I like all three bodies to look at, but the 124 is clearly the driver's car of the three, will outrun/outcorner and even rides as nice on proper tires and shocks/struts. The 124 is not as heavy a car as the SD, but the active and passive safety refinements from the 126 to the 124 are many (yes I'm an Engineer, yes I did design/engineering work on the 124 as well as much testing and prototyping). My non-ASR cars will spin both wheels to smoking on dry pavement for a good 200', plenty of power on tap (my Daughter's '94 has generic tires, I love to play with it. Hey, I buy her car and tires, ...).

Now I'm a dieselhead, so this is a tough one, but I currently have in the fleet 3 124-body E320s. The '94 was the BEST 124 made, best body/interior/trim/seats/lights/equipment, '95 close except for a few "thrifted" items like the headlamp wiper/washers and 2-tone paint, ... but not available in a turbodiesel. I wouldn't cross the street for a free W210 E320 of either engine, the only reason to buy a 210 IMO is for the 606 turbo, not the chassis, but that's another story.

So I'd snap up that swap in a heartbeat if the transmission were a simple fix.

As far as the transmission: If the shifts are solid, no slipping in any gears, shift points are usually an external issue (vacuum, shiftdown/bowden cable, or downshift button/switch) not an internal one. The 722.4xx is a good transmission if treated well IMO, just that so many of them are neglected by the time the car is 15-25years old. Get that straightened out and you'll wish it were a diesel, but love driving it just the same.

Oh, is it an ASR car? I love the ASR, with the torque of that setup, it saves a lot of wheelspin. It does come with a price though, extra complexity and failure possibilities such as the electronic throttle. If the engine wire harness hasn't been replaced (white tag should be visible between the battery and inner-firewall with a fab-date on it) you're possibly in some expensive trouble on a Mercedes built in the early '90s (any body).

A matter of priorities and emotions, left-brain vs right-brain thing IMO.

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