Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Tech Help

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-24-2013, 01:45 AM
lsmalley's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: California
Posts: 2,150
Question what transmission will fit?

I need to know what transmission will fit my 1990 190E 2.6 automatic. What is my transmission number 722.4xx? It is the original. What do the last two numbers (xx) mean anyways? I have seen 722.3xx or 722.4xx but I don't know what that means. I have seen a few rebuilt transmissions, in particular a 1990 190E 2.6 (722.4xx) and also a 1990 300E (722.429 I think, or to be safe 722.4xx). Will a 300E transmission be a simple plug n play installation? If there are two different models, i.e., 300E and 190E both having a 722.4xx, are they interchangeable without doing anything weird other than bolting it on to the motor and calling it a day? Sorry for so many questions in post, just trying to make sure those that reply aren't confused and can answer accordingly.
Cheers!

__________________

1990 190E 3.0L
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-24-2013, 04:38 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 7,534
722.3 is a 4 speed auto

722.4 is similar looking 4 speed but smaller than the 722.3

722.5 is a 722.3 with a built in overdrive unit at the end.

Near as I can tell none are a direct bolt in with each other and may require drive shaft mods.

The xx at the end is a variation code, that is sometimes shift points / pressures / number of clutch packs not sure what will interchange as there are too many.

Have a look at car-part.com and sniff around for interchanges, the info isn't 100% ( sometimes you can go one way and not the other , sometimes they don't list parts that will interchange. ) but will give you a pretty good idea what will work.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-25-2013, 09:27 AM
cth350's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 4,442
You need a transmission from another 2.6 (the 190E 2.6 or 260E) to get the right valve body and governor setup. There are some changes over the years that will include some extra hydraulic plumbing on the left (driver's side in the US).

Here's list of a zillion benz transmission types...

Mercedes Benz 722.6 transmission application guide

-CTH
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-25-2013, 05:44 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 7,534
Some of that left side plumbing is a governor bleed. It reduces gov pressure to cause late shifts so the cats warm up faster.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-26-2013, 12:47 AM
lsmalley's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: California
Posts: 2,150
Quote:
Originally Posted by cth350 View Post
You need a transmission from another 2.6 (the 190E 2.6 or 260E) to get the right valve body and governor setup. There are some changes over the years that will include some extra hydraulic plumbing on the left (driver's side in the US).

Here's list of a zillion benz transmission types...

Mercedes Benz 722.6 transmission application guide

-CTH
Does the 260E need to be a 1990 as well?
__________________

1990 190E 3.0L
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-26-2013, 01:02 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 50
MODEL...... YEARS...... CHASSIS.. ENGINE ..........TRANSMISSION ........STEERING

190E 2.6... 1986-93... 201.029... 103.942 KE ......717.432/722.409 .........765.903
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Fault code scanner_model engine.pdf (80.1 KB, 561 views)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-26-2013, 08:09 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Melbourne Australia
Posts: 845
W201's used the 722.4. W124 260e's 300e 2.6 and some early 300d's used the 722.409

The 2.6 litre engine of either the W201 190e 2.6 or the W124 260e (300e 2.6) use the 722.409 transmission.

The 722.4 transmissions in the W124's and W201's used a different ratio diff than the 722.3 equipped cars.

The 722.3 transmissions handle a lot more torque than the 722.4 varieties.

I have installed a 722.3 transmission in a W124 260e. It wasn't very successful. The 2-3 gear ratios were sluggish in combination with the diff.

The main physical differences between the 722.4 and 722.3.
Torque converter splines are different
The connecting flange between the tailshaft and the transmission on the 722.4 is smaller than the 722.3
The kick-down cable connector on the transmission is physically a different shape.
The oil cooler lines that run off to the radiator are different lengths and different banjo bolt diameter at the transmission end.
The 722.3 is around 3 -4 inches longer than the 722.4
The 722.3 is 50% heavier than the 722.4
The transmission dipstick tube is a different shape - the 722.3 is physically bigger.

For ease of installation you need a 722.409 transmission for the W201 190e 2.6
A 722.4 transmission out of a 4 cylinder W201 190 is a risk.

To install the 722.3 in the 260e I needed to
(a) use the torque converter from the 722.4 in the 722.3
(b) Change the rear tailshaft/flexdisk connecting flange from the 722.4 to the 722.3
(c) cut the kick-down/lockout connector off the 722.4 transmission and splice the 722.3 onto the wiring to suit.
(d) Change the transmission to radiator oil cooling lines.
(e) Adjust the vacuum regulator to set the shift points correctly.
(f) Install the 722.3 dickstick tube

The 722.3 transmission fitted into the W124 260e however it maybe too large to fit on a W201 body.

When you have the transmission out, change the rear main engine seal.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-26-2013, 11:12 AM
lsmalley's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: California
Posts: 2,150
How do I tel what transmission mine has in regards to the exact nubers, i.e, 722.409 or 722.429? Afterreading several of the helpfu replies I think I'd just go with the exact match. Io not wnt to mess around with modifying and cuting things to make it fit, nor reprogramming anything. Also, yes, I have been informed to replace the rear main engin seal while the transmisson is out so I will definitely do that as well. Anything else that can be replaced while I am having the transmission done?
__________________

1990 190E 3.0L
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-26-2013, 04:57 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 7,534
Take a look at the pan rail on the left and right sides. There should be a train of numbers stamped there.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-26-2013, 09:13 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Melbourne Australia
Posts: 845
Quote:
Originally Posted by lsmalley View Post
Anything else that can be replaced while I am having the transmission done?
Flex disks.

But. Here's the thing. Sourcing a decent 722.409 will be your hardest task. Because so many of them have gone faulty good second hand units that don't require near seals or K1 or K2 valves are scarce.

I have put three replacement transmissions in the 260e. In frustration at getting a good one I actually installed a 722.3 instead. (As mentioned above this was less than satisfactory.).

If your car is worth it, it maybe of more practicality to have your existing unit rebuilt.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-02-2015, 05:44 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Cranbourne, Victoria, Australia
Posts: 37
Does the 722.3 physically fit into a 190e 2.6 W201?

I have been told it does not fit, it is too large for the w201 transmission tunnell.

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page