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Old 08-22-2012, 11:26 PM
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Broken transmission parking lock

The parking lock is broken on my latest purchase - a 1979 450SEL. While idling in Park after getting to work today, I noticed a periodic clank coming from the transmission area. Then I noticed I was rolling backwards.

How involved is fixing that? It seems like a simple thing and the transmission functions perfectly otherwise.

Fortunately the parking break is in fantastic shape - I'll bet the PO replaced it recently.

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Old 08-23-2012, 01:58 AM
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This is a transmission out job so I'd make sure that the shifter linkage is working correctly first. I reckon you are more likely to have trouble with the shifter linkage than a part inside the transmission.
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Old 08-23-2012, 08:16 AM
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If the linkage is OK..
Then removal of the rear cover on the trans is required.
MOST likely not broken. But an alignment issue with the pawl.
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Old 08-23-2012, 12:11 PM
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Heres a picture of the pawl and associated gear in my 300D's 722.418:

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Heres a picture of the pawl and associated gear in my 300D's 722.418:
Not really sure what I'm looking for here - can you explain a little bit? I've never done anything with a transmission except for look at it blankly from underneath and think "yep, there's the transmission."

I notice in your signature a note about cruise control. Got any advice for one that seems completely dead (stalk doesn't seem to do anything when pushed in any direction)?
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Old 08-23-2012, 01:35 PM
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Not really sure what I'm looking for here - can you explain a little bit? I've never done anything with a transmission except for look at it blankly from underneath and think "yep, there's the transmission."

I notice in your signature a note about cruise control. Got any advice for one that seems completely dead (stalk doesn't seem to do anything when pushed in any direction)?
This might help:


The pawl is engaged when you put the lever in to P. It locks into a notch on the parking gear (my term, not sure what actually is) The parking gear also has a worm gear on it that drives the speedometer cable (124,201,123).

I have some diagnostics you can run though, most of the time its the cruise control amplifier:
Diagnostics:
Cruise Control Amplifier Diagnostics & Amplifier Repair
How The System Works and Common Problems:
Cruise Control Amplifier Diagnostics & Amplifier Repair
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The Parking Pawl on the 722.00_series trans is mounted just slightly different than shown.

But you must remove the rear cover to get at that problem part.
Will require a slotted socket for the rear flange & also a wide straight blade like a drag link socket for the governor spring cover.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:15 PM
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You can see a few pictures of a 722.1 transmission in this thread - this is the four speed version of your three speed 722.0

722.118 Automatic transmission rebuild (Monster DIY)

The parking mechanism is shown on the first page - though the pictures aren't really made for your problem!

I have read that people try and remove the nut on the output shaft of the transmission by engaging the transmission in park and then having a go at it. This might be a bit of problem if you need to do this. I reckon this kind of makes it a transmission out job as it'll be a bit of problem stopping the output shaft from turning when it is fitted to the car unless there's a way of stopping that shaft from turning with the transmission fitted to the vehicle...

...I don't know if it is possible - perhaps someone here has done it?

Anyway - nuts and covers and all the rest of it shouldn't be considered until you are sure that the linkage isn't working properly. Disconnect the shifter linkage at the transmission - turn the selector and check to see if the park pawl engages when it isn't connected to the rest of the linkage.
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Old 08-23-2012, 08:59 PM
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I have a 1971 250C that was diagnosed by a Mercedes mechanic with a broken pawl for the same symptoms you are experiencing. I replaced the Shifter to Transmission linkage bushings, one at each end of the rod, and fixed the problem. So..........make absolutely sure that the linkage is correctly adjusted.

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