I have the same problem as everyone else, My 1989 109E 2.6 engin# 103.942, chassis# 201.029 with CIS, stalls like the key was shut off when it is over 85 deg. C. but starts rite back up. Also it idles low, 500rpms, as soon as it reaches 85deg all the time. these two problems may or may not be related, I don't know. I see you all talking about this but no complete conclusions. I believe it's a heat soke issue, but what part? It has to be electrical.
I've checked fuel flow and pressure. I changed the 4wire temp sensor and the OVP relay.I even added a 1/0 ground wire from the block to the battery.
First question: what tells the engine computer how fast the engine is spinning? The crank sensor?, the mas airflow?, the manifold absoulute pressure sensor?, just the RPM sensor or all in conjunction. What would heat up the most?
Something is telling the computer the engine is spinning faster than it really is and is closing the idle air control motor, I cleaned the IAC with Brake Cleaner, wasn't really dirty. I tried to raise the base idle with the throttle plate adjustment screw under the MAS and the computer put it back to 500rpm, only the TPS advanced base timming, so I put base idle back. When engine cools back to 85 deg. C the stalling stops and idle goes back to 750rpm. I pulled out the timing resistor and this did give me 25 more rpm and alittle more hp.
I know that the Idle control valve is working and the computer is controling idle because the computer raises idle back to 500 when I turn the A/C on.
Could it be going into limp in mode after it heats up? I can drive the car all day on a foggy day and if it never get above 85deg it does not stall. If I disconnect the micro switch on the throttle linkage it idles back up.What does that micro switch tell the computer?
This only happens when its hot, so my next step is to heat up each part with a heat gun until it stalls.
It's all guess work for me, anyone got any ideas?

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Spang

What are the rpm hot and cold?

Fault OVP Ussualy slow RPM when cold and fast when hot.
Or it could be a fuel pump relay?

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Hello members , My car have 180K miles on the clock.Recently Cruise control did not worked ans ABS light appear on Instrument panel so I decide to tacke down some Electronic components behind a battery compartment.There are 4 main devices are:ABS;ECU;MAS and OVP relay.In number post on the Web site I've read and it mention about a broken circuitry inside the ECU unit or similar other device . I did investigate by open all to look inside entire the printed circiut board with magnified class( make sure I grounded myself and DON'T touch any I/C or related electro components cause your body generate elctricity could damage it) .Well nothing seem to be problems then I put them back and start the car.It just start but not run normal like it used to be. What did I do wrong in here? Thanks and appreciate for any of your inputs

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To Wbrian and Spang4190E. Sorry for that post that I'm not intention to mean to insult anyone on this board.Please accept my apolozige.Thought IMHO I just post what did it happen to me when I'm trying to fix my car and these symtoms occur to mine.Really I would like someone to show me in details how to post correctly on this web site.Thanks a lots.

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Benz4le, it's cool no hard feelings.
Also I think I came upon something, when I unplug the thing called the EHA valve the car runs great, idle is back to 650 in gear and smooth. But it is hard to start and ck eng lite is on as expected. Question?What does the EHA valve control and what controles it?

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> ..... when I unplug the thing called the EHA valve the car runs great, idle is > back to 650 in gear and smooth. But it is hard to start >and ck eng lite is on as expected. Question?What does the EHA valve control and what controles it?

The EHA valve is the 'Electro Hydraulic Actuator' that governs fuel distribution, pressure etc between the injectors. It typically goes bad by starting to leak somewhat. It's a little black phenolic box situated just behind and on the intake manifold...... can't imagine the engine operating properly without it being there. I am suprised that it does.

I've got the same problem as you re low idle. In my case it decreases by about 200 rpm when engine is under load by engaging gears. Checked the OVP relay and ICV (idle control valve) and they appear to be good .... just can't figure it out either. This difficulty appears to surface often enough but I have 'never' read a solution to this other than blaming the OVP relay or the ICV .... which seems to be a catch-all for all problems MB. I'm now starting to think the problem has to be related to sensors feeding the ECU

cheers, guenter

ps keep us informed

OK, I gave you false info. What I UNPLUGED was not the EHA, it is the MASS. I unpluged the electrical conector only and the car runs great. So is it the electrical portion of the MASS or the signal to or from the MASS? All I know is that the low rough idle and the stalling is gone and the car is reliable. I drove from the bay area to tahoe and back (900 Miles round trip) up hwy88 and down hwy50 and it never stalled once. I drive all around San Jose and it performs flawlessly, soo smooth and quiet. What does this Mass Airflow Sensor tell the computer to do besides tell it how much air is going into the intake and help with fuel flow, and should I replace the little black box on the side of the MASS that I unpluged or just leave it unpluged forever?

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OK Gunter, I gave you wrong info. What I UNPLUGED was not the EHA, it is the MASS. I unpluged the electrical conector only and the car runs great. So is it the electrical portion of the MASS or the signal to or from the MASS? All I know is that the low rough idle and the stalling is gone and the car is reliable. I drove from the bay area to tahoe and back (900 Miles round trip) up hwy88 and down hwy50 and it never stalled once. I drive all around San Jose and it performs flawlessly, soo smooth and quiet. What does this Mass Airflow Sensor tell the computer to do besides tell it how much air is going into the intake and help with fuel flow, and should I replace the little black box on the side of the MASS that I unpluged or just leave it unpluged forever?

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What does the Mass look like?
I have been having idle and stalling problems on my 190e also.