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Old 04-24-2025, 03:46 PM
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No, no need for a 45ft coach. Something 35-40ft provides all the living space and amenities I needed. I know those are the “best”, but I never felt hat having one would improve my travel experience.

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Old 04-24-2025, 05:07 PM
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No, no need for a 45ft coach. Something 35-40ft provides all the living space and amenities I needed. I know those are the “best”, but I never felt hat having one would improve my travel experience.
The overall coach experience of workmanship and reliability is a massive increase once you step out of cookie cutter, fiberglass production coaches. 5 more feet from 40 to 45 is sometimes a problem.
I'm understanding a lot more on what works for me at this stage of RVing. 36' would be ideal 360°, but certainly not what I'm comfortable with. The ideal size RV is one where compromises are considered and made.
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Old 04-25-2025, 07:56 AM
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I've been kicking around the idea of picking up a good, used Leisure Travel Unity on the Sprinter frame with the twin beds in the back. That would be all we would need to ride around the country in.
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Old 04-25-2025, 08:18 AM
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I've been kicking around the idea of picking up a good, used Leisure Travel Unity on the Sprinter frame with the twin beds in the back. That would be all we would need to ride around the country in.
I actually owned that exact model. It’s a good coach, with a few caveats. LTV build quality is unmatched.
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Old 04-25-2025, 10:39 PM
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Not familiar with that Class B. ^^^

Consider ALL (van) brands Class Bs and B pluses to suit your needs and desires.
Don't just look at their floorplans.
Consider their various interior environmental capabilities.
Consider the 365 day climates they're going to be used in.
Consider and compare their volume of space, and supply capacities.

I have developed strong opinion of what would be my ideal B+ van. In the years considering them, there's as many features about the models available that I don't like, as there are about features that I do like.

The same can be said about the Prevost converters, and, the Newell Coach.

In short, there is no one unit model or brand, that checks all my boxes.
Still, compromises must be made considering the above, and all other categories.
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Old 04-26-2025, 11:21 AM
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Do you consider how hard it is to work on to be one of the criteria? I consider that in everything I purchase that has an engine.

Right now the main thing is I want two twin beds or at least one with a queen size bed. Other items is I want a diesel.

I've just been looking around for a couple years now.

A Super C looks like a good one and they come with a diesel which looks like it would be easy to work on to me.
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Old 04-26-2025, 03:05 PM
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Super Cs hold no appeal to buying one. At one time, I was quite intrigued by them. The aspect of them being an HD diesel truck frame, cab, and engine layout are the high points of them. From there, it all goes downhill for me. Almost without exclusion, their coach build accommodations are lower end and cheesy to me.

The working on them aspect of being an 18-wheeler tractor front end and automotive diesel, would be highly appreciated and magnetic for your wants and capabilities may be ideal for your working on them.
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Old 04-26-2025, 05:12 PM
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If I get one I do want to get a lift I can put it in air with.
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Old 04-26-2025, 06:54 PM
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RVTrader dot com is where I'd start looking and see what's out there. That's where I found my used coach.
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Do you consider how hard it is to work on to be one of the criteria? I consider that in everything I purchase that has an engine.

Right now the main thing is I want two twin beds or at least one with a queen size bed. Other items is I want a diesel.

I've just been looking around for a couple years now.

A Super C looks like a good one and they come with a diesel which looks like it would be easy to work on to me.
For me, no, not much of a consideration. Livability is the main thing. If you don’t like the living space or it isn’t functional for you, then you won’t end up using the rig. So that’s the main consideration.

The LTV was the only brand of smaller B+ that held any appeal. We oscillated between their Ford and MB based platforms. What made the decision was that we happened to be at a dealer (LTV was having a show with all models and floor plans on site) when a buyer declined to take the Unity they ordered. It was pretty much what we were leaning towards, so we bought it on the spot. LTV had a one year wait at the time. We have an MB dealer not too far away that has a big Sprinter business and is happy to work on motorhomes. They did the A service for $199 so I was disinclined to mess with it.

Friends that owned diesel class A rigs on Freightliner chassis steered me towards the Ford gasoline chassis for two reasons. First, it’s really inconvenient to get class A rigs serviced where we live. And I’m not doing the the oil change in my driveway on a Cummins that takes 30 quarts. Second is there were a lot of issues with the DEF system at the time that were taking rigs off the road, and parts were not readily available due to the whole Covid supply thing. The Ford in contrast was pretty easy to deal with. A routine service was 8 quarts of 5w-30 and 9 zerk fittings once every 6,000 miles or so. I’m getting old enough that crawling under the rig isn’t much fun, but I could deal with that.

You’ll find that 90% of the work you do is on the house, not the chassis. So fixing broken trim, chasing squeaks and rattles, electrical, plumbing, HVAC. My experience is that the house is more problematic than the chassis.

Some folks buy super C chassis because it’s easier to get service for them - engine access is easy and convenient. Many (most?) pros won’t work on a class A diesel pusher or a Ford front engine gas chassis because it’s so inconvenient to get at the engine. But there’s a big trade off in living space, you loose the entire cab of the super C. A 38’ foot class A is pretty darn big with lots of light. A 38’ super C actually isn’t. Never appealed to me as a result.
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Good points JC.
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Old 04-28-2025, 09:28 AM
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What's your experience with them as reliability goes?

Which variety do you have experience with?

Seems they'd be a great vehicle to own in the resale end, especially with the Wrangler Jeep series of rugged Jeeps....

I sold a '96 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited V8 FT 4X4, with 16K miles on it for $10K back in 2004. I'd of kept it, but it wasn't the Wrangler variety of Jeep.

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I have a 2013 Jeep Rubicon and I'm glad I got the extended warranty. Once all the issues were worked out, it's been very reliable although a bit of a gas hog. I average about 13 mpg but love driving it, especially with all the doors and roof off!
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I have a 2013 Jeep Rubicon and I'm glad I got the extended warranty. Once all the issues were worked out, it's been very reliable although a bit of a gas hog. I average about 13 mpg but love driving it, especially with all the doors and roof off!
Complete disclosure: the computer onboard stated 13 mpg, on our 96 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited V8.

I certainly was not crazy about keeping a vehicle like that around anyways.

If I didn't mention it, we had ZERO problems with it whatsoever. Very well made vehicle.
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We get about 20-21mpg with our grand cherokee which I find to be pretty good. I have BFG K02s on it as well, so no doubt they sap a couple mpgs. Around town irs 14mpg all day, towing on the highway is about 16 with a 6k lb trailer. Ill say it tows exteremely well -- barely feels like there is anything on it, and the air suspension adapts very well.
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They haven't sold many 4xes....the 2.0L is go9d but lots of horror stories on the hybrid/battery system. I like the idea of the 4xe but if my ancient port injected 5.7L pushrod v8 is having issues, not sure I am going ti gamble on a complex PHEV...a buddy of mine worked on that system at chrysler and mentioned it was entirely phoned in last minute.

That said, the standalone 2.0L DI engines are quite reliable across the cars that use them (includes stuff like the alfa giulia).
I would not buy one, but since they are lot glue a a few of them have been leasing in the 200-300 a month range. At that price point for 24 or 36 months I'd take the chance. Typically a 60k msrp vehicle.

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