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Old 11-14-2013, 06:00 PM
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The Secrets of the Dead episode that followed was possibly the most worthless waste of effort put into any show recently.
All about Walter kronkite and being first to have the exclusive -deliver the news.
who could care less?????
You care less, but believe me, there was/is an audience for the show that was aired, else it would never have taken up a time slot. For the media moguls, television time is too valuable to waste. What you may see as a waste of time, others find great value in the story presented. That, my friend, is the world we live in, like it or not.

May I recommend Meyers Briggs for further detail on how and why people think and do what they do. Straight up logic versus emotions.

The age old battle.

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Old 11-14-2013, 06:08 PM
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You care less, but believe me, there was/is an audience for the show that was aired, else it would never have taken up a time slot. For the media moguls, television time is too valuable to waste. What you may see as a waste of time, others find great value in the story presented. That, my friend, is the world we live in, like it or not.

May I recommend Meyers Briggs for further detail on how and why people think and do what they do. Straight up logic versus emotions.

The age old battle.

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yea, ill _ check that out, The media's never ending Me Me Me Me first attitude isnt something im putting any effort twards trying to relate to.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:43 PM
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yea, ill _ check that out, The media's never ending Me Me Me Me first attitude isnt something im putting any effort twards trying to relate to.
On the emotional side and for those who were alive when Kennedy was shot, Walter Cronkite became the face and the voice of the sad news. For many, he became a father figure delivering the news of the loss of a close family member or friend. Losing Jack Kennedy was like losing their best friend. And, as so many others have said, the loss of innocence. From that day forward, many people began to have doubts about the country, other people, the media, the government, etc.

We are still spiraling downward from what I can tell...........................
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:10 PM
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I think it is an accelerating spiral.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:15 PM
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On the emotional side and for those who were alive when Kennedy was shot, Walter Cronkite became the face and the voice of the sad news. For many, he became a father figure delivering the news of the loss of a close family member or friend. Losing Jack Kennedy was like losing their best friend. And, as so many others have said, the loss of innocence. From that day forward, many people began to have doubts about the country, other people, the media, the government, etc.

We are still spiraling downward from what I can tell...........................
Yea so he met him previously and was an acquintance--many many many many more did too.
The "scoop" of his lifetime ---- and he was set for life, just what every "anchorman" dreams of.
The show made it clear of his agenda, his emotions didn't figure in--and wouldn't if he had never met him.
The ONLY thing that mattered to him --them is that HE Was FIRST.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:17 PM
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I watched the guy on the show trying to rapid fire the bolt action rifle.
Clearly he wasn't a marine.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:19 PM
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I discussed the shots Oswald would have had to make with my dad who was a very experienced hunter and was on the shooting team when he was at Studebaker back when I was on a jag reading everything about this subject. Dad said any good shooter could have done the shooting in the time frame. he had sand bags to rest on and kennedy was moving away from him. Shoot, allow the gun to rise a bit from the recoil and come back down and squeeze off another shot. No problem according to Dad.

Was Oswald a good shooter? I dunno.
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On the emotional side and for those who were alive when Kennedy was shot, Walter Cronkite became the face and the voice of the sad news. For many, he became a father figure delivering the news of the loss of a close family member or friend. Losing Jack Kennedy was like losing their best friend. And, as so many others have said, the loss of innocence. From that day forward, many people began to have doubts about the country, other people, the media, the government, etc.

We are still spiraling downward from what I can tell...........................
So you are saying you align yourself with the ambitions of kennedy........... and things went to hell in a handbasket after the country suffered the loss?

I sure would never have guessed this by reading your usual posts.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:04 PM
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What caliber is an ar 15? would it have had ordinary lead bullets and not full metal jackets?
It was explained that the round from the AR15 was a frangible bullet...5.56mm.

The show I linked claimed the Warren Comm did not use anything from the autopsy report or eyewitness' on the street...only Connelly testified I think.

This guy ran the assassination as a cold case file.
Its well worth a look.

I saw the show this thread is about too....it was pretty good but left a few lose ends that Reelz dealt with.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:21 PM
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There is a lot of reconstructing of the Kennedy history. he had a lot of opposition --even within the democrat party.

The time frame of 3 odd seconds came from the 8 mm film.

Many people have demonstrated that it was possible for fire 3 shots in the time frame. That does not prove that oswald actually did fire 3 shots.

The smoking Gun was very interesting--most convincing to me was the type of ammo used by Oswald versus they type of ammo used by the Secret Service.

Possibly a tragic accident.
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Old 11-14-2013, 08:48 PM
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There was a show on last night on pbs about the ballistics of the kennedy shooting. The rifle used was a little known 6.5 mm which had a very heavy bullet for the size of the bore. They tested it different ways but the thing that really impressed me was they shot it into a stack of 3/4" pine boards bookended on a table and it penetrated about 36" of pine with very little veering off and the bullet was nearly in perfect condition when they dug it out of the board it came to rest in.

I think that shows the viability of the one bullet theory.

I did not watch the whole show. (There was a new pickers on too)
This is the first Post that I read so I am sure someone else will say the same thing.
The Rifle was an Italian Military Rifle so it was quite well know.
In order for the bullet test to be valid they would have to use the same companies Cartridge with the exact same Bullet in the Cartridge.

Military Cartridges have Bullets with full Metal Jackets but the Civilian versions for Hunting have Bullets with a variety of configurations including exposed lead Soft Points and Hollow Points.

I have not read up on the issue to know what the exact make of Cartridge and Bullet was used in the killing.

I think more importantly the Cacarno Rifle is not noted for accuracy and of the various surplus Military Bolt Actions sold at the time it was near the bottom of the choices and were cheaper.
However, entirely adequate for the occasional Deer Hunter at reasonable ranges.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:02 PM
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On the show they stated that the ammo used was not listed in the tables provided for people who did ballistic analysis at that time. I inferred that it was not well known from that.

It appeared they used the same military spec bullet that Oswald used. (full metal jacket) Oswald used it no doubt because it was war surplus and inexpensive to buy (my guess).

I would conclude from the show that the load used with its full metal jacket was very accurate until it went through JFK's kneck. After that their tests suggested it would tumble ... the damage done to Connoley indicated that it hit his wrist sideways.

The suggestion that a SS man might have fired an inadvertant shot is an interesting thought but the acoustics suggested that the reports of all the bullets (IIRC) were similar. Also the following car was open. If a shot had come from a rifle in it surely someone would have witnessed it.

I am currently reading a book by Clint Hill, Jackie's SS man. He named the fellow who was responsible for the AR 15 rifle. I am in the middle of the funeral in the book now. I'll try to post the name of the fellow responsible for the ar 15 later.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:10 PM
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As most people, I've viewed many of the shows presenting the "evidence". However, the last television show I viewed showed how the the sixth floor depository appeared when investigators first arrived. To me, the scene literally screamed STAGED STAGED STAGED. A staged crime scene, imagine that. Plus, those idiots were handling all sorts of evidence including the rifle with their bare hands, no gloves.

Everything, the rifle, the shell casings, the boxes were all just a little to conveniently placed to "tell a story". If we set this story up properly, the public AND the police will buy it, lock, stock and barrel.

And so they did.
Ha, I have an idea. Now that they have DNA evidence one would think the Rifle and any thing possibly handled by Oswald could be tested.

If there is none of His DNA on the Rifle it would be interesting to hear the explanation for that!

What I remember from other Films and books is that one of the Officers who picked up the Rifle claimed it had 7.65 stamped (7.65mm) on the Rifle.
Besides the Caliber being different then the Rifle claimed to be used in the assignation; Military Rifles don't have that info stamped on them.

Military Rifles that had been commercially sporterized (a Military Rifle converted into a Sporting Rifle; they can be from the Cheap ones where they simply shorten the Military Barrel and shorten the Military Stock to the more expensive ones that retain the Military Action but change the Barrel and the Stock and install better sights) would have the Cartridge Caliper the rifle was supposed to use stamped on the Barrel in front of the Receiver.
The 7.65mm Cartridge is a Military Cartridge and also a Sporting Cartridge in Europe.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:16 PM
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If the jacketed bullet went through Kennedy and Connolly and hit bone and stayed intact, even through 48" of pine.......why didn't it travel through and through his skull instead of disintegrating totally?
And, they managed to lose the Brain of the most important Murder in the US; could that have been an accident.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:18 PM
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The other side of the coin is with the testing/reconstruction that was done it done appear the one bullet was from the front.
In the Film you see Jackie Kennedy suddenly lurching over the Rear of the Car. They say She was trying to retrieve a piece of the Presidents Skull.

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