Anything to contribute for your self?

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if he was not a GB and just a kid, why didnt he call the cops?

What I understand is that many black boys are raised by their moms not to trust the cops. But that's just speculation from my part, I don't know and would it have made a difference?

I've been followed by suspicious individuals at night and it never crossed my mind to call the cops. All I was thinking of was how to defend myself in worst case scenario and getting to my car as fast as possible.

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Really?
I can understand that there might be a lower standard for conviction--beyond a reasonable doubt is a pretty tough standard. But you're saying new, previously unknown evidence that the State couldn't find, or use?

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One big difference between the criminal case and the civil case is that Zimmerman can no longer plead the Fifth, unless he has a plausible exposure to federal criminal liability. Assuming that the prospect of federal prosecution will be put to rest, the family's attorney will be able to take Zimmerman's deposition, something the prosecution was not permitted to do. The family's lawyers will also be permitted to subpoena the other witnesses for depositions. In Virginia, at least, those sorts of discovery tools are much broader and more powerful in civil cases than they are in criminal cases. I don't know the civil or criminal procedure rules in Florida.

The trial transcripts from the criminal case also give the family's attorneys a road map for further investigation.

Maybe all the evidence is already out, but we won't know until we see what happens with the family's civil claim.

As for the potential that Zimmerman could plead the Fifth because he still faces the possibility of federal charges, I hope the DOJ will do what it can to make that issue go away. It seems highly unlikely that there would be a viable criminal prosecution under federal civil rights laws.

I believe he was in the middle of a phone call when he met the Zim...
Events seemed to have moved pretty quickly from that point onwards.

I find it interesting that the Zim corner is now asking why didn't TM call the police, when we have heard so much about the right of the people to stand up for themselves....
That there is some twisted logic that states the Zim was able to blast an unarmed kid because he felt threatened, but the kid should have called 911 when he felt threatened...

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I don't know about in Florida but the standard of Proof and what is considered evidence in a Civil Suit is different than in Z's Criminal Trial.

And, sometimes more evidence is found after a Criminal Trial that can be used in a Civil Suit.

This is a long thread; I was thinking there must be a Z and/or T Forum out there somewhere.

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TM was out looking to do a little Whup Ass. This is why when saw he was being followed he:

1. did not call the police, because a real gang banger never calls the cops.
2. circled around to catch GZ off guard as GZ was making his way back to his truck.
3 Came out and asked GZ, "WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM"
4 GZ replies, "I don't have a problem".
5. TM says, "YOU HAVE A PROBLEM NOW" and proceeds to WHUP GZ's ASS.

Now, if you didn't grow up on the streets and your daddy or momma didn't teach you the basics of street fighting, I feel sorry for you and anyone else here who doesn't understand it. GZ is a big overweight marshmellow compared to TM. TM got him down on the ground (ALL STREET FIGHTERS KNOW TO DO THIS - IT IS HOW YOU MAINTAIN TACTICAL ADVANTAGE) and proceeded to pound his head against the concrete. During the scuffle, GZ's shirt rode up revealing his gun. GZ had a legitimate fear that TM might gain control of the gun so GZ went for it FIRST. Many many people are shot and killed WITH THEIR OWN GUN due to losing control of it. GZ knew he had one chance and one chance only to stop the fight and so he did.

We got it.

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Clearly some folks think Z deserves the civilian version of the medal of honor for his quick thinking and action to save the neighborhood.

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hardly, but neighborhood watch is a legitimate reason to be on the lookout for suspicious people in your neighborhood. it helps stop crime.

Z is who he is. If TM had ben white or brown, we'd have never heard this story. It was spun up by the media and race baiters.......

yeah, shame TM is dead. Shame GZ will live his life looking over his shoulder. Shame the police don't protect & serve any more....shame for a lot of stuff, but that is our world we live in. the bestt thing we can do is to try and change the culture of thug life & crime that affects our young men of all colors.

Hard to say whether that's true or not. Even without race as part of the story, having a neighborhood watchman arm himself and then fatally shoot someone would have been newsworthy. The 2nd Amendment can't match race when it comes to media hysteria, but it is still an important issue. Race is what made this story explode in the media, but I think it would have been national news even if the decedent had been a 17-year-old white boy.

So....what are your thoughts on strong minded Black men such as Luis Farrakan....MALCOM X.

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You can't fix stupid.....

PPP lists Obama voter registered Democrat Zimmerman as potential GOP presidential candidate in an election he wouldn't even be eligible to run in...

Dem Polling Firm PPP Names Registered Dem George Zimmerman Among Potential 2016 GOP Nominees

Malcom was a righteous man, railed against the system...struck down by treachery

Farrakan seems a bit looney.....and is somewhat of an opportunist and baiter.

NOI has at times, been the best solution for crime ridden neighborhoods. However, like what happned when the Taliban took control and stopped the post Soviet invasion infighting of the Mujahadeen, many fear what would occur if they (NOI) were the dominant force. radicalism has its place, but seldom is sucessful in long term solutions for anything....not saying particually the NOI is that radical in the Islamist fashion, but the nexus is there.