I thought you were already a multi-millionaire.

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'83 300D, 126K miles.

I am not looking for advise and I am not looking for money. I already rewired my cars.

My problem is the arrogance and unwillingness of Mercedes to address the problem. This is a large scale problem that effects so many cars and is a safety issue. I have looked at several mid 90's sl500 for sale with less then 30,000 original miles and they also have bad wiring. The wiring issue dose not involve a wear item, it is a large scale design flaw. It is a matter of principal, if you cant understand that then please do not respond.

Good luck! Let us know how the lawsuit works out!

OK thanks, I don't understand and retract what I said.

With that said I will keep driving my two 95 E300's with 270k and 290k miles that I replaced the engine wiring harnesses in.

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Jim

That is true, a class action usually settles with the plaintiff's lawyers getting $5,000,000 in attorney's fees and the members of the actual "class" each getting a coupon or a check for $5.00


On the other hand, if you do it yourself, the big company even when at fault, will happily "motion" you to death, and drag it out for 5-10 years. They have unlimited funds to stall and a huge legal department full of bored and constipated lawyers..

Pretty much a lose/lose situation for the average consumer, or even a big class of them.


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A valid "lemon law" claim on a new car is another matter. I settled with Volvo of NA in 2001 by hiring a good lawyer - over a piece of trash new 2001 Volvo C70 HPT turbo coupe.

The California lemon law lawyer was pretty good and only cost $2,000 from beginning to end. But I had constructed a bulletproof cas the whole way, over 5 dealer attempts to fix the same thing, which made it a prima facie California new "lemon" vehicleand had a daily notebook with a running daily log of everything that happened, every letter and phone call was there and completely memorialized with the date and time of evey single communication and exactly what happened and who said what. It was exhausting -- but it worked.

Took a year but they finally bought back "Camille" and My wife and I got the whole $42,000 back from them less a mileage deduction for the 7k we'd driven it for the year we had it....it was the first new car i had ever bought in my life.


And inbelievably, the SAME car (our "Camille" branded with her scarlet letter - the lemon title) showed up on an ebay auction in Montvale, NJ one year after that, for sale for a mere $24,000!! The lemon law title was disclosed, but the seller lied about reason for the Volvo company's buyback, and said no problem was evident and the first buyer merely complained it wandered on the road (which was not the problem at ALL).

The ebay vendor was an independent used car lot. I will let you guess the city and state of that dealership.

(Hint: Mercedes Benz has a big operation in that city)

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

If your proposed lawsuit derives its nourishment from a claim based on those allegations, I can assure you that your allegations are worthless and wiall be immediately flushed down the toilet when the Judge grants Mercedes Benz's own motion for summary judgment or motion for a nonsuit.


The reason for this being, was that those biodegradeable wiring harnesses were made by Mercedes Benz to fall into compliance with a new law in Germany that REQUIRED these to be constructed, to fall into compliance with a new national "environmental/politically correct German law that MANDATED their inhstallation.

You are out of lucmk; so I am with my 1995 E420 but it has the proper harness now though too...

Get another wiring harness, the company now willsell you a old style one that will not degrade.

Go contact your dealer. Or the MB Classic Center in Irvine, CA. and ask for Woody in parts.

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

So how come no other manufacturers had that problem?

- Peter

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2021 Chevrolet Spark
Formerly...
2000 GMC Sonoma
1981 240D 4spd stick. 347000 miles. Deceased Feb 14 2021
2002 Kia Rio. Worst crap on four wheels
1981 240D 4spd stick. 389000 miles.
1984 123 200
1979 116 280S
1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1971 108 280S

The 07 BMW 5 series and some 3 series have the crumbling wire insulation issue in the wiring that is inside the headlights. Go to change the bulb and the wire insulation crumbles off. BMW has a technical service bulletin out on it. Their fix is to replace the headlight assy to the tune of $1100/headlight on the 5 series. Not sure if they are using different wiring in the new ones.

Picture of wiring with deteriorated insulation is in this thread:

deteriorating wiring

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Jim

They *DID" (see post #23 above). So noted this was a 2007 m y car.

But I am 100% certain that Mercedes Benz was for sure targeted by the Geman government in the earlier years for this.

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

Why only Benz? If a few headlights on an 07 BMW are the only other instances that's a whole different ballgame than the entire engine wiring harness of multiple models for many years. What about the rest of the BMW lineup, Audi, VW, Opel etc?

- Peter.

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2021 Chevrolet Spark
Formerly...
2000 GMC Sonoma
1981 240D 4spd stick. 347000 miles. Deceased Feb 14 2021
2002 Kia Rio. Worst crap on four wheels
1981 240D 4spd stick. 389000 miles.
1984 123 200
1979 116 280S
1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1971 108 280S

Here is the proof of specific examples of Mercedes Benz wiring harness failure complaints to the NHTSA\

https://sites.google.com/site/infoage1/mercedes-benz-1991-1996-engine-wiring-harness-defect

Pehaps you yourself could answer the question of such failures - if they exist - and whether biodegradeable wiring harnesses were mandated by the German government in the same time period, in cars manufactured by other German automakers during the same time period;

I see no reason that you cannot perform that research and report back here, with your findings, rather than ask the same question here over and over again.

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

I'm pretty sure it is all of them and covers more than just the 07 year model. IIRC the 3 series that I saw it on was an 04 or something like that.

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Jim

At the end of it all this was ultimately the conclusion of the case. Mercedes Benz was determined to not be liable because the car was not under warranty.

Sometimes "wrong" is not a legal issue. Other times it is what a person decides to argue and -equally important- the venue one decides to argue.