How *NOT* launch a boat - Page 4 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

retmil46 · #46 08-06-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

This Is Why People Think Powerboat Owners Are Asshats

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At the plant where I work, it's often a common sight on Fridays to see some people driving into work with their bass boat in tow - understandable if they're going to do a weekend outing and plan on starting their journey as soon as they get off work - but NONE of them have ever dared to do that horrendous or asinine a job of parking as in the above link.

The ones that are really brain dead and get my goat, are the ones that show up for work IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK still towing said bass boat - that says one of two things - they're too lazy to take 10 minutes to unhook the GD trailer - or are advertising to Gawd and country that they plan on being "sick" for the rest of the work week.

Brian Carlton · #47 08-06-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by retmil46

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Yeah...........that's a DB...........they're everywhere now.

cmbdiesel · #48 08-06-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

You'd be surprised what people tow with cars outside of this "bigger is better, because I need to compensate for mini-me being shortened by obesity-induced diabeetus" country.

I am constantly surprised what some morons pull with cars. Some people even try to pull boats with them...

In order for a trailered load to be safe, it must be towed with a vehicle capable of stopping it. Too many people think everything is A-OK as long as they can get the load rolling.
GVWR is routinely ignored if it is even understood.
Idiots put on a receiver hitch that can carry 3000lb tongue weight, and they assume that the vehicle can carry that as well.

cmbdiesel · #49 08-06-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

See this is where you show your stupidity on the subject.

Basic physics question; what happens when you hit the brakes on any vehicle?

Answer the weight transfers forward.

This weight transfer causes the front brakes to do all the work, or when your towing the tow vehicles brakes do the brunt of the work.

Because of said physics trailer brakes no matter how good can only have a limited affect. Witness any 18 wheeler stop fast, the trailer brakes lock and are useless.

I do beleive the rules of physics apply in Europe as well, but you clearly view them as superior in every way so maybe such rules are suspended over their.

Did somebody say brakes????

JB3 · #50 08-06-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

I am constantly surprised what some morons pull with cars. Some people even try to pull boats with them...

In order for a trailered load to be safe, it must be towed with a vehicle capable of stopping it. Too many people think everything is A-OK as long as they can get the load rolling.
GVWR is routinely ignored if it is even understood.
Idiots put on a receiver hitch that can carry 3000lb tongue weight, and they assume that the vehicle can carry that as well.

Spdrun hates America, all Americans are idiotic morons who fit into a narrow specific type and need to be taught how to do things carefully by Europeans. However, given his outside perspective on how stupid Americans are with everything they do, id LOVE to hear about how these things are done in Spdrun's home country, which we never ever hear of.

The land where 30,000 lb vessels are towed routinely by 50hp micro cars in perfect order with nary a hiccup.

as an extreme example of trailer weight vs tow vehicle weight, and why is important

Small Car towing caravan crashes - YouTube

cmbdiesel · #51 08-06-2012, 02:44 PM

who said the trailer was going to push???

cmbdiesel · #52 08-06-2012, 02:46 PM

Maybe the brakes were overheated from the ride here....

cmbdiesel · #53 08-06-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

Spdrun hates America, all Americans are idiotic morons who fit into a narrow specific type and need to be taught how to do things carefully by Europeans. However, given his outside perspective on how stupid Americans are with everything they do, id LOVE to hear about how these things are done in Spdrun's home country, which we never ever hear of.

The land where 30,000 lb vessels are towed routinely by 50hp micro cars in perfect order with nary a hiccup.

as an extreme example of trailer weight vs tow vehicle weight, and why is important

Small Car towing caravan crashes - YouTube

Good one

spdrun · #54 08-06-2012, 03:07 PM

Obviously if you cite an extreme example, yeah, it looks stupid. But the other extreme (I bought a Sunfish/pooped out a sprog/go to the lumberyard once a year, so I need an SUV *NOW!*) is also pretty stupid.

Boats are fun toys. I just prefer mine relatively small, light, and manageable. Preferably powered by wind, rather than engines that make the water f**king reek.

If you have a work boat, you'll probably also have a place to store it.

Hatterasguy · #55 08-07-2012, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by retmil46

Seconded with a hearty amen.

You ought to look over on the Jeep Liberty CRD forums, and see what some idiots try to tow, their excuse being "it's a diesel, it can pull it".

Yeah, it's got a diesel with over 300 ft lbs of grunt when properly tuned - but that's it. 4000 lbs, short wheelbase, 4000 lb rated factory hitch, stock Crapyear Wrangler minivan tires, crappy factory brakes and shocks that are set up for mall cruising and worn out by 50K miles. Just a cargo basket with a couple hundred pounds of stuff in a 13 cu ft cargo bag is enough to make it squat down in the back like a dog getting ready to take a dump.

One gent actually provided pics where he tried to use his Liberty CRD, everything still bone stock, to tow a triple axle trailer/boat combo that he admitted weighed north of 10,000 lbs, and only had surge brakes.

Well, he managed to get it moving. And as you said, stopping was a whole other matter. But that wasn't what really bit him - it was when he tried to negotiate a curve at speed - boat and trailer decided to keep going in a straight line, and dragged the Jeep along sideways by the hitch.

Yeah pretty much I see vehicles way overloaded all the time. The kicker is the idiots get away with it to a point.

Really 4k-5k is the limit for anything other than a 1/2 ton truck set up for it or more, vehicle wise.

For regular towing of a 10k boat trailer combo I'd want a one ton, maybe a dually. Your Jeep would be great for yanking around the trailer minus the boat.

If you don't have the proper mass with the tow vehicle the tail will want to wag the dog.

Perfect example my boat on its yard trailer is probably around 5 ton, I bribe my uncle to tow it with his dually 1 ton Dodge; the Dodge does pretty well. If I were smart like a European I'd be able to use a Focus but I'm just a dumb American.

spdrun · #56 08-07-2012, 12:03 PM

Fat bloat-boats for bloated people.

JB3 · #57 08-07-2012, 12:25 PM

ive seen this a bunch of times, a vehicle not able to get a vessel off the ramp, either based on weight of the boat, wet or steep angle, size of the vehicle, ect.

Boat stuck at san diego ramp at low tide

heres another good one, this one the people clearly know how to launch their boat, but their 2wd ford is not up to the weight of the boat for the ramp-
Ramp Follies - YouTube

used to go down to the boat ramp and pump seawater for lobster tanks for a fish company all the time, maybe twice a month. We would use one half of a boat ramp for about 30 minutes to fill a 3000 gallon tank in a pickup, so we got a lot of first hand views of this type of situation.

Personally, ive never owned a boat large enough that I couldn't take it off the roof of my car and throw it in the water, but things are different based on the size of the boat.

You could always tell the people who knew what they were doing, and the people who didn't, especially by factors such as the time they showed up based on the tide in relation to the ramp, and how well they could back their boat trailer down the ramp. 30 jackknifes getting their boat trailer down the ramp, we knew we were in for some fun