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Old 01-03-2011, 03:20 PM
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Question about English royalty and such

So is Prince Charles a direct decendant of William the Conqueror? Is that how it works?

So when his mother kicks the bucket, is he going to be known as King Charles? I don't even know his last name. He probably does not have one or need one anyway.

Does anyone know his last name? Just wondering

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Old 01-03-2011, 03:25 PM
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Charles Philip Arthur George

I believe he will become king if he outlives his mother. I think he will be able to choose his name, so it won't necessarily be Charles III.
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:36 PM
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Charles Philip Arthur George

I believe he will become king if he outlives his mother. I think he will be able to choose his name, so it won't necessarily be Charles III.

maybe he's pick the name Tyrone Jamal Demarcus Demario III?
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:39 PM
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He will be Charles III. English Kings take their first given names, let's hope he keeps his head.

Elisabeth II is indeed descended from William The Conqueror.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_of_Elizabeth_II_from_William_I

When the English ran out of William's descendents, they gave the crown to a German nobleman (who did not even speak English) who was descended from William thru his mother, who became George I:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_I_of_Great_Britain


Charles's son will be William V.

Interestingly, William IV, his surname predecessor, was the last King of England who ruled as an absolute monarch, after his reign, the Prime Minister became an elective office, prior to that, the PM was appointed by the King and acted at the King's pleasure.
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Old 01-03-2011, 03:56 PM
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Charles Philip Arthur George

I believe he will become king if he outlives his mother. I think he will be able to choose his name, so it won't necessarily be Charles III.
That names sounds like royalty. Is he royalty? Does he suck d***s?
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That names sounds like royalty. Is he royalty? Does he suck d***s?
you mean Lawrence of Arabia???
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you mean Lawrence of Arabia???
Yep.
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What's interesting is that the real surname of the British royal family is German:

"The British royal family changed their last name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor in 1917. The reason? World War One broke out in 1914 and anit-German sentiment was at its height in 1917. In protest, King George V renounced all the German titles belonging to him and his family and adopted the name of his castle, Windsor.

Here's a look at the proclamation:

from the date of this Our Royal Proclamation Our House and Family shall be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor, and that all the descendants in the male line of Our said Grandmother Queen Victoria who are subjects of these Realms, other than female descendants who may marry or may have married, shall bear the said Name of Windsor.

The Royal family name of Windsor was confirmed by Queen Elizabeth II after her accession in 1952. However, in 1960, The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh decided they wanted their direct descendants to be distinguished from the rest of the Royal family (without changing the name of the Royal House), as Windsor is the surname used by all the male and unmarried female descendants of King George V.

Soon thereafter, it was declared that The Queen's descendants (other than those with the style of Royal Highness and the title of Prince/Princess, or female descendants who marry) would carry the name of Mountbatten-Windsor. (In 1947, when Prince Philip of Greece took the Oath of Allegiance, he became naturalized, and assumed the name of Philip Mountbatten as a Lieutenant in the Royal Navy.) "
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Royalty in UK has NO last name as far as I know. The Royalty, in UK or everywhere, inbred so much that it is dangerously close to mentally retarded. That is why Lady Dianna was welcome at the beginning. She is a commoner and inject new gene into the retarded pool.

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It's also been very French at times.
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Royalty in UK has NO last name as far as I know. The Royalty, in UK or everywhere, inbred so much that it is dangerously close to mentally retarded. That is why Lady Dianna was welcome at the beginning. She is a commoner and inject new gene into the retarded pool.

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They do indeed have last names. For centuries, it was Plantagenet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Plantagenet

Then it was Tudor, as noted, currently, it is Windsor.

Interestingly, the last Plantagenet was indeed mentally retarded:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Plantagenet,_17th_Earl_of_Warwick

Diana was not a commoner, she was a Spencer, a family that joined the peerage in 1650, descended from the Duke of Marlboro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Churchill,_1st_Duke_of_Marlborough

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Diana was born at Park House, Sandringham in Norfolk, England, the youngest of three daughters of John Spencer, Viscount Althorp (later the 8th Earl Spencer) and his first wife Frances Spencer, Viscountess Althorp (formerly the Honourable Frances Burke Roche, and later Frances Shand Kydd). Her father was of British descent and counted the 1st Duke of Marlborough among his forbears.

Her mother, who was of English and Irish descent, was a daughter of the 4th Baron Fermoy. Diana has two older sisters, Sarah and Jane, and a younger brother, Charles. She was baptised on 30 August 1961 at St Mary Magdalene Church by the Rt Revd Percy Herbert (rector of the church and former Bishop of Norwich and Blackburn), and her godparents were: the Lady Mary Colman; Mr John Floyd (the chairman of Christie's); Mrs William Fox; Mr Alexander Gilmour; and Mrs Michael Pratt.[4]....

On her father's side, she was a descendant of King Charles II of England through four illegitimate sons:
Henry Fitzroy, 1st Duke of Grafton, son by Barbara Villiers, 1st Duchess of Cleveland
Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond and Lennox, son by Louise de Kérouaille
Charles Beauclerk, 1st Duke of St Albans, son by Nell Gwyn
James Crofts-Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth, leader of the famous Monmouth Rebellion in 1685, son by Lucy Walter
She was also a descendant of King James II of England through an illegitimate daughter, Henrietta FitzJames, by his mistress Arabella Churchill. On her mother's side, Diana was Irish and Scottish, as well as a descendant of American heiress Frances Work, her mother's grandmother and namesake, from whom the considerable Roche fortune was derived.[citation needed]
The Spencers had been close to the British Royal Family for centuries, rising in royal favour during the 17th century. Diana's maternal grandmother, Ruth, Lady Fermoy, was a long-time friend and a lady-in-waiting to Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother. Her father had served as an equerry to King George VI and to Queen Elizabeth II.

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They do indeed have last names. For centuries, it was Plantagenet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Plantagenet

Then it was Tudor, as noted, currently, it is Windsor.

Interestingly, the last Plantagenet was indeed mentally retarded:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Plantagenet,_17th_Earl_of_Warwick

Diana was not a commoner, she was a Spencer, a family that joined the peerage in 1650, descended from the Duke of Marlboro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Churchill,_1st_Duke_of_Marlborough
It depends on what you call a commoner. That is what the newspapers called her at the time. She was NOT a product of inbreeding between Royalties in UK, Europe, Russia and beyond.
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It depends on what you call a commoner. That is what the newspapers called her at the time. She was NOT a product of inbreeding between Royalties in UK, Europe, Russia and beyond.
She was the daughter of an earl. Not very common.
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William was a Plantagenet. Last male direct Plantagenet was in something like 1400, one of the Edwards or Williams.

Then we had Tudors until Elizabeth I who had no children. Then James stewart followed by several Stewarts.

Then they imported a german line related to Hapsburgs (which is why they began looking peculiar) and during WWI they changed the family name to the more English sounding Windsor.

Also, the royalty and nobility were (are) anything but chaste and monogamous. So if the question is one of genetics, they're all over the place.
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She was the daughter of an earl. Not very common.
That's right. She was nobility, not royalty.

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