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boneheaddoctor · #31 12-06-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dolebludger

Boneheaddoctor:

As I understand your poliitical stance, to which you are entitled, you may view the Dems now as being left of Stalin. But from my political stance, they came off as a bunch of wishy-washy candidates in the last election, compared to FDR who offered program after program to at least try to fix a broken economic system, or JFK who fought for civil rights legislation to fix (IMO) a broken social system. Kerry and Edwards weren't liberals at all, compared to these guys.

Thanks,
Richard

Kerry is by his colleges the most liberal senator in office today..and the pubic...Even more so than Hillary Clinton-Lenin.

His voting record proves it.

Civil rights? THe was the republicans who voted that legislation into effect when the Democrats were still the good-ole-boys who were firmly against such integration.......Like Strom THurmond, and Al Gores old man.

Old300D · #32 12-06-2004, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Well, the Democrats are so far left they Make Stalin and Lenin look conservative.

And social programs.......let the liberals fund them out of THEIR paychecks not mine.

I'd much rather fund the social programs than a non-operative and misguided missile defense system, along with a dozen other porkers for the military. Even though my salary gets paid through this mis-use of funds!

mikemover · #33 12-06-2004, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Old300D

I'd much rather fund the social programs than a non-operative and misguided missile defense system, along with a dozen other porkers for the military. Even though my salary gets paid through this mis-use of funds!

I'd rather fund NONE OF THE ABOVE, thank you.

Mike

boneheaddoctor · #34 12-06-2004, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Old300D

I'd much rather fund the social programs than a non-operative and misguided missile defense system, along with a dozen other porkers for the military. Even though my salary gets paid through this mis-use of funds!

Not me................if we didn't have a strong military, we would not be the free nation we are today......You would be speaking Japanese, bowing to the emporer, or goose stepping saluting der fuer, or Living under the old Union of Soviet Socialist Republic.

You can make the Demorcats pay for 3rd generation welfare bums to sit home and have baby after baby.......................Or pay for medical insurance for the illegals rather than deport them.

I say stuff the social program entitlements..............or make registered democrats foot the bill for them.

koop · #35 12-06-2004, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeitgeist

Still here for a second...

Change is not the issue, rather what is the scale and scope of the change--and who does that change serve?

You'll need to further define the terms "fringe element" and "special interest". To my unjaundiced eye, those would appropriately apply to the corporations and industry lobbies that have captured hold of the party establishment.

My point is it doesn't really matter what the message is if the Dems can't control the transmission of it. No matter what what the issue it seems that the Reps grab it, spin it and control it before there can actually be any debate.

boneheaddoctor · #36 12-06-2004, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by koop

My point is it doesn't really matter what the message is if the Dems can't control the transmission of it. No matter what what the issue it seems that the Reps grab it, spin it and control it before there can actually be any debate.

Next you are going to call NPR CBS, and Dan Rather pawns of the republicans.....................get real...........take you meds...........your symtoms are back.

koop · #37 12-06-2004, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

You don't have to be wealthy to get burned by an estate tax........

Problem is many places like PA have a pretty horrible STATE estate tax that will gobble up 50% of you poor dead relatives assets before you even get them.

And that applies to a person who has $300,000 in total assets as well as a rich person. My mom is hardly confortible much less rich. And she is working hard to tie up assest so the state won't grab them before me and my brother get anything before she passes on. Which I hope will not be for many more years. And PA is a heavily Democrat state run by democrats, adn has one of the worst Estate taxes in the country.

Reps............they do far more than minorities than the dems do......look who tries to appoint Minority Judges etc, then look who tries to block them.

Look who had minority cabinet members etc......Dems talk big about minorities, but talk is cheap. THe Republicans actually do far more for them.

Not quite, here is the 2003 Penn estate tax. It starts at $700k. The rate for 10 million is about 15% Further, I was not refering to a state tax but rather the fed estate tax which affects approximatly 1% of US families.

Pa. Estate Tax Amounts and Rates in 2003 under Act 89 Taxable
Estate Tax

Taxable
Estate Tax Marginal Rate AverageRate
$700,000 $0 0% 0%
$750,000 $18,500 4.80% 2.47%
$850,000 $25,200 4.80% 2.96%
$950,000 $30,400 5.60% 3.20%
$1,000,000 $33,200 5.60% 3.32%
$2,000,000 $99,600 7.20% 4.98%
$3,000,000 $182,000 8.80% 6.07%
$5,000,000 $391,600 11.20% 7.83%
$7,000,000 $638,000 12.80% 9.11%
$10,000,000 $1,067,600 15.20% 10.68%

boneheaddoctor · #38 12-06-2004, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by koop

Not quite, here is the 2003 Penn estate tax. It starts at $700k. The rate for 10 million is about 15% Further, I was not refering to a state tax but rather the fed estate tax which affects approximatly 1% of US families.

Pa. Estate Tax Amounts and Rates in 2003 under Act 89 Taxable
Estate Tax

Taxable
Estate Tax Marginal Rate AverageRate
$700,000 $0 0% 0%
$750,000 $18,500 4.80% 2.47%
$850,000 $25,200 4.80% 2.96%
$950,000 $30,400 5.60% 3.20%
$1,000,000 $33,200 5.60% 3.32%
$2,000,000 $99,600 7.20% 4.98%
$3,000,000 $182,000 8.80% 6.07%
$5,000,000 $391,600 11.20% 7.83%
$7,000,000 $638,000 12.80% 9.11%
$10,000,000 $1,067,600 15.20% 10.68%

Its prety easy to hit the minimum if parents own a house etc.....

add state to federal and anyone who has not put everything into a revokible living trust ( anyone wealthy already has) Well my mom says me and my brother would owe substantial taxes on our inhearitance as it is (nearly half).

Now those rates you posted don't count as substantial, how much she is worth? I don't know but doubt the figures are that high. And She has a lawyer working on estate issues since my Father is deceased 9 years now, me and brother are only heirs. So I know those quotes come from someone who knows what the total rates would be. Personally I only have 3 realatives who would count as wealthy, and none that are rich.

koop · #39 12-06-2004, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

You don't have to be wealthy to get burned by an estate tax........

Problem is many places like PA have a pretty horrible STATE estate tax that will gobble up 50% of you poor dead relatives assets before you even get them.

And that applies to a person who has $300,000 in total assets as well as a rich person. My mom is hardly confortible much less rich. And she is working hard to tie up assest so the state won't grab them before me and my brother get anything before she passes on. Which I hope will not be for many more years. And PA is a heavily Democrat state run by democrats, adn has one of the worst Estate taxes in the country.

OK basic math, your mom has a $300k estate (according to you), 300k is less than 700k. The PA estate tax bottom rate starts at 700k. Therefore the PA estate tax does not affect your mom, little less take half of her estate as you asserted.

And the Fed estate tax does not affect estates of $300k.

And this is perfectly indicitive of my point. The Reps have just owned the "DEATH TAX" issue. Neither you or your moms estate are affected by an estate tax but you have been spun around so much you just know, even in the face of facts, that the democrats are taking half of your money.

EDIT you didn't say your mom's estate was 300k but did say that the state would take 50%. That is clearly not true. If your mom's estate is over 700k it will be taxed but not at 50%

mikemover · #40 12-06-2004, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Not me................if we didn't have a strong military, we would not be the free nation we are today......You would be speaking Japanese, bowing to the emporer, or goose stepping saluting der fuer, or Living under the old Union of Soviet Socialist Republic.

Agreed. But I'm talking specifically about the missle defense system that old300d is talking about....It's archaic, unneeded, and is a money pit. That money could be spent MUCH more effectively elsewhere in the military budget.

Mike

boneheaddoctor · #41 12-06-2004, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

Agreed. But I'm talking specifically about the missle defense system that old300d is talking about....It's archaic, unneeded, and is a money pit. That money could be spent MUCH more effectively elsewhere in the military budget.

Mike

Russia still has Nukes, and Now thanks to Clinton China Has MRV warheads.......explain why its archaic? Any of those could be retargeted to our cities if they aren't already.

KirkVining · #42 12-06-2004, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by koop

My point is it doesn't really matter what the message is if the Dems can't control the transmission of it. No matter what what the issue it seems that the Reps grab it, spin it and control it before there can actually be any debate.

IMO, you are absolutely correct. I don't know why Z is bothering to ask these questions - since when was the last election about issues anyway? Sadly, the Democrats real problem is how to build a propaganda machine to match the Republicans. Their stand on issues has little to do with anything anymore. We have entered The Age of Propaganda, where months of Swift Boat lies go unchallenged by what used to be an independent media, and where the GOP can push a button on its propaganda machine to dessimate an explanation for anything that only has one message - its not their fault, the liberals are to blame. The winners from now on will be the ones who can market their lies in the most effective way. Look what's happened to bonehead - half of what he posts are outright lies, yet he truly believes them, because he believes the GOP propaganda machine is the only source of truth. That's happened to millions in this country. The Democrat's biggest problem is that their idealistic nature has prevented them from engaging in politics in the same manner.

boneheaddoctor · #43 12-06-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KirkVining

IMO, you are absolutely correct. I don't know why Z is bothering to ask these questions - since when was the last election about issues anyway? Sadly, the Democrats real problem is how to build a propaganda machine to match the Republicans. Their stand on issues has little to do with anything anymore. We have entered The Age of Propaganda, where months of Swift Boat lies go unchallenged by what used to be an independent media, and where the GOP can push a button on its propaganda machine to dessimate an explanation for anything that only has one message - its not their fault, the liberals are to blame. The winners from now on will be the ones who can market their lies in the most effective way. Look what's happened to bonehead - half of what he posts are outright lies, yet he truly believes them, because he believes the GOP propaganda machine is the only source of truth. That's happened to millions in this country.

Just because all the Dems can come up with is propaganda, what makes you think the republicans can't talk real issues............

Old300D · #44 12-06-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Just because all the Dems can come up with is propaganda, what makes you think the republicans can't talk real issues............

boneheaddoctor · #45 12-06-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Old300D

What Happened? was you Blinded by the Light? News flash...the Dems motos operandi is if you can't match them in wits, then you attack them to take the attention off the fact that the Dems have no issues to stand on.