This takes the cake - Trigger points for the 1972

[350SL4spd]

Saw this on the BOSCH site:

Bosch eXchange program for Pulse Generator started!

http://www.automotive-tradition.de/en/teile/media/Product_profile_Pulse_generator.pdf

No pricing listed. I'll have to email them for that.

[RadioTek]

Keep us updated, please.

The price mentioned above is really high sounding.

If a D-Jet system needed overhaul, by the time you get to the trigger points and the Manifold Pressure Sensor, you'd be ahead to do a MegaSquirt conversion.

I'm in the early stages, but it looks like a MegaSquirt would cost about $600.00 to $700.00. But that's just a 'ballpark' figure.

Scott

[Graham]

Originally Posted by RadioTek

Keep us updated, please.

The price mentioned above is really high sounding.

This site has the exchange cost in Europe for the Bosch reman part (358 Euro plus core cost and shipping both ways) A while ago, I was quoted about US$900 by Classic Center. Don't think they had many takers, so now appear to be offering the DIY kit instead.

http://seekpart24.com/bosch/sensor-ignition-pulse-f026tx2033

[RadioTek]

It's beginning to look like the Megasquirt is the less expensive option.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by RadioTek

It's beginning to look like the Megasquirt is the less expensive option.

I thought about MS a while back, but didn't really want to modify my car that drastically. I would do it on a project car, just for fun, but not on my clean classic 350SL unless there was really no alternative.

My car had the usual problems - worn cam followers on trigger points, AAV that would stick and not close properly, injectors that needed cleaning, slight distributor shaft wobble.

Kept looking and eventually found parts from a rusted out but low mileage D-jet sedan. Probably only have a few hundred dollars invested for the parts that MS would replace.

Mind you, I have also invested in a collection of parts, just in case! (New FP and TP, good used MPS, Distr, AAV and ECU.).

But it would be fun to try MS - just need to find a cheap d-jet to do it on!

[rowdie]

I think the Classic Center was quoting what was available at the time. Now the kit is available so they are offering it.

[350SL4spd]

My vague plan down the road was to maybe try MS on my 350SL because, for as rare a car as it is, it's not worth the $$ in bodywork it would need to be cherry.

But I want to get it running properly first. And that way I'll always have the parts to make it stock again if I need to as well.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by rowdie

I think the Classic Center was quoting what was available at the time. Now the kit is available so they are offering it.

It was in October '09 that I had a discussion with the Classic Center. They were looking for someone to send in a set of triggers for reman, just to kick off the program in USA. I would have been the guinea Pig! At first they did not have a price, but on Oct 20, 09 sent me this:

"The part is $1100.00 less your MB Club discount!! Since you're helping me out on this, I'll extend an extra 5% for you."

The units with the pigtail connector were still plentiful and cost $746. Still a lot. The new kits that have just come out will allow DIYers or shops to repair trigger points. At $475, they do look like a better deal!

Luckily for me, a kind ex-owner GAVE me a new set of triggers. I still have them in the box. Old salvaged ones are working fine (for now).

[Benz Dr.]

Originally Posted by Graham

I thought about MS a while back, but didn't really want to modify my car that drastically. I would do it on a project car, just for fun, but not on my clean classic 350SL unless there was really no alternative.

My car had the usual problems - worn cam followers on trigger points, AAV that would stick and not close properly, injectors that needed cleaning, slight distributor shaft wobble.

Kept looking and eventually found parts from a rusted out but low mileage D-jet sedan. Probably only have a few hundred dollars invested for the parts that MS would replace.

Mind you, I have also invested in a collection of parts, just in case! (New FP and TP, good used MPS, Distr, AAV and ECU.).

But it would be fun to try MS - just need to find a cheap d-jet to do it on!

I've worked on a lot of different 107's including a number of 350SL's but I don't ever remember them being classic cars. They're not even Milestone cars. As nice as the best one in the world could ever be, it's really just an older car. The last real Full Classic Cars were produced before WWII long before most of us were even born. Milestone cars take up where Full Classics end somewhere around 1947 and end about 1972.

6.3, all of the older 300 cars, 220Cab A, 111 coupes and cabs, 190SL, and 600 are all Milestone cars. 107's are too new and too plentyful to ever be more than what they are. I do like them and I'm not trying to run them or anyone down but we would have to go back to a 1938 450K before we would find a real Classic MB car.

It's a term that's become so over used today that anything older than a todler is now considered '' Classic. '' I can understand why you wouldn't want to mess around with a really nice original car. Early ones are getting hard to find in anything but trashed condition.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Benz Dr.

I've worked on a lot of different 107's including a number of 350SL's but I don't ever remember them being classic cars.

MB classify the early 107s as Classic Cars and support them with parts at their Classic Center. My insurance company also classifies my 107 as a classic car..

Maybe these links may help:

http://www.mercedes-benz-classic.com/content/classic/mpc/mpc_classic_website/en/mpc_home/mbc/home/vehicle/overview_vehicles.html


http://www.mercedes-benz-classic.com/content/classic/mpc/mpc_classic_website/en/mpc_home/mbc/home/knowledge/faq/vehicles.html

[RadioTek]

I'd LOVE to find any type of D-Jet to plunder for the parts. The only one I've found so far only yielded 2 complete fuel rails with injectors, a fan and clutch, a throttle position sensor, a timing chain tensioner, an AAV, and a smog pump. Although I did scavenge every relay I could find on every Benz in the junkyard.

Still holding out for a MAP sensor and distributor.

But it's Way Too Freaking Hot to go plundering. Have to wait until October or so.

Scott

[Benz Dr.]

Originally Posted by Graham

MB classify the early 107s as Classic Cars and support them with parts at their Classic Center. My insurance company also classifies my 107 as a classic car..

Maybe these links may help:

http://www.mercedes-benz-classic.com/content/classic/mpc/mpc_classic_website/en/mpc_home/mbc/home/vehicle/overview_vehicles.html


http://www.mercedes-benz-classic.com/content/classic/mpc/mpc_classic_website/en/mpc_home/mbc/home/knowledge/faq/vehicles.html

Ah yes, if it's on the net it must be true.
Both MB and your insurance company rely on common misconceptions and urban legend to carry the day. Better dig a bit further.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Benz Dr.

Ah yes, if it's on the net it must be true.
Both MB and your insurance company rely on common misconceptions and urban legend to carry the day. Better dig a bit further.

No real need - If Mercedes Benz and the German government says my old 107 is a classic, that's good enough for me.

Although there is no one right answer, most jurisdictions and clubs consider cars over 30 years old that have been maintained in original condition as classics. There is one notable exception, The Classic Car Club of America, but even they agree that their definition is not universally followed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_car#United_States_legal_definition

Oops, but that is on the net - I guess it could be wrong

[meltedpanda]

Originally Posted by Benz Dr.

Ah yes, if it's on the net it must be true.
Both MB and your insurance company rely on common misconceptions and urban legend to carry the day. Better dig a bit further.

Don't be messin with Graham, Benz Dr. around these parts, we hang on his every word.......lol
and besides, when Pearl and I showed in my first ever concours, she was labeled a classic, for that matter , I'm a classic

[Benz Dr.]

I know that. THat's why the ACCCA calls there stuff '' Full Classic '' and has a coppy right on the name.

The classic center simply ripped off the name like so many people over the past 50 years seemed quite happy to do. It all started with used car salesmen back in the 50's who called an older car classic to make people believe hey were buying something special. The ACCCA started in 1952, long before most of these so called classic cars were even made. They don't accept any of these later cars as classics, they just know that people call them classics.

I bet hardly anyone around this site has even heard of the Milestone car club - I bet most have heard of the Classic Center though. Do you know that when your car is called a '' classic '' at MB the prices of anything that's strictly MB parts usually ends up being 2 or 3 times as much as it was before that happened? Check out the price of a 107 spare tire well now and what it was 2 years ago.