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Old 11-29-2014, 10:23 AM
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Agreed ..
Definitely good for an 84 grease car

I suspect for most here, having 5W40 discontinued is a non-event. Mobil Turbo Diesel Truck 5W40 has higher ZDDP than most and I use it my 300D. Because it is a summer car, I tend to use High Mileage 10W40 in my '72 R107. Up until now, I have used euro 0W40 in my 98 E320, but can't always get it.

BTW, saw this article about ZDDP recentlyThe Truth About Zinc & Motor Oil | Driven Racing Oil

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Old 05-30-2015, 08:52 PM
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Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 is being replaced by Mobil 1™ ESP X1 0W-30.

5W-40 Synthetic Oil | Mobil 1™ ESP Formula M 5W-40

0W-30 Synthetic Oil | Mobil 1™ ESP X1 0W-30


For those who still want the MB 229.51 specification 5w-40 version, time to use another brand....


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When I now go to either one of those links, I get this site:

https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1-esp.

Nothing about 5W-40 being replaced.

It says that ESP 0W-30, ESP 5W-30 and ESP 5W-40 are the current ESP line of products. It also confirms the MB specs for each.

Can anyone explain this?

Interestingly, the Mobil Canada site does not include ESP 5W-40 but still has M 5W-40 and 0W-40
http://www.mobil.ca/Canada-English-LCW/carengineoils_products_mobil-1.aspx
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Diesels older than 1997 can use 229.3 or 229.5 (or API CF-4 or CG-4) which is what M1 Turbo Diesel Truck meets.

Diesels 1998 and newer need 229.51 oil. The only Mobil product that meets that is the now discontinued M1 Formula M ESP 5W-40, or the replacement ESP X1 0W-30.

From 1998-2004 the need is due to proper operation of the FSS/FSS+.
From 2007+ the need is due to to the low SPAsh content of the oil so it doesn't kill the DPF. Doesn't hurt to have this in the 1998+, they have a catalytic converter.

According to the viscosity chart in that document, both 0W-30 and 5W-40 are approved for all temperature ranges.
For, say, a 98/99, how would the FSS likely be skewed using M1 TDT? I play it safe and change the oil at just over 10k mi even though FSS says I can go 15k.
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According to the Mobil1 link above, there is a product selector.
https://mobiloil.com/en/product-selector

For a 1998 MB E300D,

"Based on what you've told us, your vehicle manufacturer recommends a 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30, 5W-40 or 5W-50 viscosity and synthetic oil that meets MB-Approval 229.3, MB-Approval 229.5 or MB-Approval 229.51. We offer these motor oils to help protect your vehicle."

The oils are: Mobil1 0W-40 European Car Formula

Mobil1 5W-50 Full Synthetic
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Mobil1 5W-50 Full Synthetic

When did Mobil 1 come out with this MB approved grade? This might be a good alternative for summer driving on older MB diesels. Thoughts?
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Who can possibly keep up with Mobil's ever-changing formulations and recommendations? It's almost comical....
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Old 05-31-2015, 08:11 PM
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When did Mobil 1 come out with this MB approved grade? This might be a good alternative for summer driving on older MB diesels. Thoughts?
They have had that for some time, but you seldom see it at retail outlets. I used to use 15W50 (still have one jug) which could be found, but on my 85 300D I now use Mobil TDT 5W40.

I also use TDT or their High Mileage grade in 72 SL (V-8 gasser). Depends on what Walmart have when I am in USA! W210 gets Euro 0W-40 or High Mileage. I guess these oils are about the same for our older cars. By the way, TDT costs C$47 (US$42) for 4.4L at Walmart Canada vs US$26.83 for 3.78L at Walmart USA.

I seem to recall Marshall (der dieseling Doktor) saying he used Delvac on his old diesels. I have never been able to figure out what is different about Delvac and other Mobil diesel oils. Because of low mileage now between changes, I am 'thinking' of going to non synthetic Delvac or Rotella for 300D.
https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-delvac

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