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WVOPWRD! · #76 06-19-2015, 12:53 AM

Thanks Stretch, might need it...

Mach4, good advice. I've been changing the oil and running it for about 15 mins holding the throttle to get things hot, then draining and changing again. On the 3rd or 4th time of that now, thinking I will do it once more, then when I get it actually on the darn road I'll run it good for about 50-100 miles, then run flush and change oil and filter. Then do some long hard runs like you say. I don't feel too worried, but I do feel dumb for not securely covering those damn holes this last winter...

Charmalu - will be using those guys. Just need to find a second to get down to the south bay. Called them and they seem decent, beats going to Sac! I suppose I should replace the support bearing, it looks pretty decent, but they aren't too expensive. Still need to pull out back half...

Thanks everyone!

t walgamuth · #77 06-19-2015, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CTD

The "gorilla" knob is the "pull to start" knob that Mercedes put in the older W115 and W110 diesel vehicles. It controls the starter and glow-plugs.

Did you tighten your battery terminals by any chance? That's what I did this morning and my starter began functioning correctly. Did you also check continuity from the battery terminal to the starter's power supply? Might be too much resistance from a loose connection or damaged conductor (perhaps a wire was pinched or broken during the engine installation). Wiring issues like this are kinda weird....they often act up in odd ways.

Full description on the Gorilla knob. It can pull out to two different positions. Inner position is glow plugs. On the bottom part of the dash there is a round thing which looks like a pepper shaker with very large holes. Inside is a coil. Pull the knob to the glow position and when the coil inside the pepper shaker lid glows nice and red, pull the knob out further to activate the starter.

Once the engine is running let go of the knob and it goes back to its resting spot. To shut off the car push it in and it shuts fuel off manually.

I think its a marvel of simplicity but its tough if you want to loan out the car to someone.

WVOPWRD! · #78 10-04-2016, 12:14 PM

Alright! Back on track what, a year later? So, finally got my driveshaft shortened and installed it last night, new flex discs, center support, etc. Was so happy when it fit, because I was charged $450 for the job. Way more than I was expecting to pay.

I also had driven a couple of hours to procure a 240D Auto cross member, and I brought it back all excited that I could finally put the car back on the ground, but, and here's where I need help, it doesn't fit where it should go! Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? I've heard over and over again that the cross-member from a 240D will work for this conversion, and here's what I mean:

This is where the cross member wants to sit (notice, NOT under the tail of the tranny):

This is where I want it to sit (i.e. under the tranny) but those bolt holes obviously don't line up:

Stock 240 manual mount that I'll probably end up modifying with a longer bolt and a flat mating surface on one side (time to fuse some metal):

Here they are side by side (in case this somehow helps someone point out my stupidity:

Please, what am I missing? This is indeed a 240 auto x-member no?

t walgamuth · #79 10-04-2016, 03:09 PM

Having the perfect cross member is nice but it is a pretty simple non complicated device. If you cannot find the right one you can have some additional plate welded to your smaller one, or cut the longer one down a bit and make it work. The key is to not change the angle too much on the driveshaft.

WVOPWRD! · #80 10-04-2016, 03:59 PM

Yes, I believe I will begin modifying the old one shortly, but what I don't get is why it is said so often that a 240 auto x-member will work?

t walgamuth · #81 10-04-2016, 06:48 PM

Maybe some will.

junqueyardjim · #82 10-04-2016, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WVOPWRD!

Yes, I believe I will begin modifying the old one shortly, but what I don't get is why it is said so often that a 240 auto x-member will work?

Well I know this, and that is that the one I used I pulled from a 240D at the P & P and it is perfect. Looking through my parts this afternoon, I came up with one exactly like the one you are fussing with. Oh golly me I thought when I dug it up, I didn't think I had any like this. I though it was correct and I was looking for one. So then I crawled under my car to match it up and saw the problem. It is to small and that could only have come off my previous car, a 1985 300D automatic. So the guy you bought that piece from owes you the correct piece. He'll probably be a bit red in the face when you tell him, but that is where the problem is. I do believe some people have used that small piece as is, but use only three bolts and it sets on crooked. Can be done, most people don't see that part when it is installed.

Alec300SD · #83 10-05-2016, 01:11 AM

About an hour away from Woodacre, CA, there is an 82 240D at the Windsor Pick-n-Pull that has been there since July 20, 2016.

It might have the cross member piece you need, or other usable parts you may need.
Row52 | 1982 Mercedes-Benz 240D at PICK-n-PULL Windsor WDBAB23A0CB318206

Here is a picture of the part you need from a 240D automatic:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-discussion/32638d1144628725-manual-transmission-conversion-vibration-solutions-w123-transmission-mounts.jpg

Edit: The actual MB Part number is 1232420701
Thanks BirthdayBenz for the correct part number from your records.

WVOPWRD! · #84 10-05-2016, 03:03 AM

Yeah, I saw that one in Windsor and ended up finding the deal on CL instead, so went for that (it was like 10 more minutes to Windsor from there though).

I thank you all very much for the support thus far, including junqueyardjim who helped me out over PM as well, but I am still thoroughly confused. The mount I have looks like any other 240D auto mount that I have come across. The one in the picture that Alec300SD posted looks exactly like mine.

Can anyone actually show mw a picture of a 240D auto mount being used on a 5cyl 4spd swap??? I've come up blank in every search, and 240D auto cross member only seems to return results that show the one that I currently have, the purportedly 240D auto x-member.

Thank you Alec for doing that research!

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Originally Posted by Alec300SD

About an hour away from Woodacre, CA, there is an 82 240D at the Windsor Pick-n-Pull that has been there since July 20, 2016.

It might have the cross member piece you need, or other usable parts you may need.
Row52 | 1982 Mercedes-Benz 240D at PICK-n-PULL Windsor WDBAB23A0CB318206

Here is a picture of the part you need from a 240D automatic:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-discussion/32638d1144628725-manual-transmission-conversion-vibration-solutions-w123-transmission-mounts.jpg

MB Part number appears to be 1232420701

BirthdayBenz · #85 10-05-2016, 08:44 AM

That cross member you have definitely looks like one from an auto 240D.

This is an Auto cross member from my 85 300D (engine donor).

Below is the one I purchased from MB for something like $47 unfortunately the part number has worn off and I can't seem to find my order history in email.

BirthdayBenz · #86 10-05-2016, 08:54 AM

Found the order I placed for the cross member.

The part number is 123-242-07-01 and it was $64 new from the dealer.

WVOPWRD! · #87 10-05-2016, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BirthdayBenz

Found the order I placed for the cross member.

The part number is 123-242-07-01 and it was $64 new from the dealer.

Thank you VERY MUCH for that BrithdayBenz! I was poking around some more and came up on an STD thread that details this exact issue, and he eventually cross references that same number you did, not that I didn't believe you or anything, I'm just trying to wade my way out of confusion

4 speed auto manual swap problems

I'm still unclear about one thing, which is what the mount I have is from??? Visually, it looks ALMOST identical to the 123-242-07-01 one that two people have now confirmed is correct.

gil4331 on STD posted this, which is a better view of what I have procured as supposedly an auto 240D mount, obviously too far back:

I hypothesize that this mount must be a second version of a 300D auto, there's the one with the donkey ears, and there's this one. That's the only engine tranny combo that would require a mount at the very back (right?).

Here is a head on view of the correct mount that BirthdayBenz also specified.

And here's the one I have, head on:

Visually they are ALMOST identical, and without measuring taps against them it's hard to get enough perspective to compare, but the major difference that I can see is in the upper left ear, they are slightly different shapes, and the "right" one must just simply be wider.

EDIT: Actually now that I see the pics side by side, I definitely see the right one being wider.

Nope, I never thought this would be easy

Gonna go clean my butcher block now...

Alec300SD · #88 10-05-2016, 06:09 PM

[QUOTE=WVOPWRD!;3641660]
I'm still unclear about one thing, which is what the mount I have is from??? Visually, it looks ALMOST identical to the 123-242-07-01 one that two people have now confirmed is correct.

Here is a head on view of the correct mount that BirthdayBenz also specified.

And here's the one I have, head on:

The dealers part website here shows 4 different styles of supports labeled 122,128, 126 and 124.

Figure 124 (MB part number 1232422701) is NLA and sort of looks like the one you received.

Figure 122 (MB part number 1232422401) is your old narrow support.

Figure 128 (MB part number 1232422801) the donkey-eared one, sort of looks like the one from BirthdayBenz' 85 300D.

Figure 126 has 4 MB part numbers to choose from (12324220701, 1232423201, 1232422601 and 1232420801)

but only one drawing is shown.
There must be some differences between them!
Perhaps the one you received is the one in Figure 124 or one of the 3 alternates for Figure 126 (123223201, 12322601 or 123420801)?

Thanks BirthdayBenz for letting us know 1232420701 is the one required.
Sorry about saying the "MB part number appears to be 123422601" initially.
I have edited my post # 83 for future readers.

WVOPWRD! could you edit the quote in your post # 84 for future readers as well?

WVOPWRD! · #89 10-05-2016, 11:50 PM

Edited, thanks Alec300SD.

Poll: How many Benz owners lives have been saved by DeliveryValve??? (Richard)

He just offered to trade me a 240D mount for the one I errantly bought because he needs one. Always seems to swoop in in the nick of time!

DeliveryValve · #90 10-06-2016, 12:48 PM

Here's the mount that I personally removed from a 240D Auto Trans. It better be correct! Lol!

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