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Old 09-17-2013, 08:33 PM
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Is it against CA law to remove catalytic converter in a 91 350 SD?

Hi all you gear heads,

I've heard that I can make a ton of performance improvements if I bypass my Catalytic converter on my 91 350 SD.

I'm going to do it if it's legal. I've got no problems walking in the gray areas if that's what I need to do.

I was told there is a bypass for it on line but they forgot what it was called. Anyone know what it's called?


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Old 09-17-2013, 09:36 PM
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Any removal of any smog-control parts built in at the factory or added/replaced later to meet current smog requirements is probably illegal in California as in other states that have such laws in place for 1991-model diesels. OTOH, the risk of getting caught is low, since no inspection is required in California for 1997 and older cars. If whatever you do causes the tailpipe to start emitting great clouds of smoke, you could get stopped by any sworn officer and cited, possibly leading to an inspection uncovering the missing cat.

OTOH, it's possible that removal of the cat may not help your car. It depends on whether the cat is in good condition (not clogged) or badly clogged with soot due to too many years of granny-driving. Many people are sure they can help their car's performance by changing the exhaust system but usually all they get is more noise.

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I'm pretty sure tampering with smog equipment is a violation of federal law, but I don't have the section of USC to cite at the moment. However, people do it all the time and hardly ever get caught.

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OTOH, it's possible that removal of the cat may not help your car. It depends on whether the cat is in good condition (not clogged) or badly clogged with soot due to too many years of granny-driving. Many people are sure they can help their car's performance by changing the exhaust system but usually all they get is more noise.

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This is also very true. I'd also be concerned about saving money for the replacement engine when that rod-bender lives up to its name.
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You'll never get stopped by a cop in California if your car is admitting to much smoke.....I was followed along way when I first started driving my euro 300d that sat for ages.....there was such a huge cloud of smoke behind it....you could see it from space....my trunk lid didn't say diesel....the cop stayed behind me and ran my plates....then after awhile he just went around...

A citizen reported that same car in el cerrito for it smoking.....I just got a nice letter in the mail from some outfit related to California's clean air act....I tossed it....

Remove it if you want, but as was said....it may not fix anything.....not positive on this model but the egr valve can cause an intake to plug solid causing issues...
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:53 AM
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No its not legal in CA or anywhere in the US but since CA doesn't smog pre 98 diesels, nobody will ever notice. You will only gain a slight bit of spool up time if your cat is clogged which is likely at this age. Don't expect anything dramatic.
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Old 09-18-2013, 11:16 AM
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Yup it's illegal...just like
  • Parking at an expired meter
  • Washing your car on the driveway
  • Driving at speeds in excess of the posted limit
  • Driving with your check engine light on
  • Not FULLY stopping at a stop sign
  • Playing your stereo too loud
  • Not having a white rear license light
  • Driving without a bumper
  • Driving without a rear reflector
  • Loud exhaust
  • Talking on a cell phone
  • Not paying sales tax on those car parts you bought on the Internet
  • Venting R134a from your A/C (legal if its in a computer duster can though)

And of course, lets not forget about some of the other stupid laws out there

In Alabama, it’s illegal for a driver to be blindfolded while operating a vehicle. However, it is legal to drive the wrong way on a one way street if you have a lantern on the front of your car.

In Denver, Colorado, it is illegal to drive a black car on Sunday.

In Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, it’s legal to make love while parked. Police officers aren’t allowed to walk up and knock on the window. Any suspicious officer who thinks that sex is taking place must drive up from behind, honk his horn three times and wait approximately two minutes before getting out of his car to investigate.

In Massachusetts, taxi drivers are prohibited from making love in the front seat of their taxi during their shifts.

In New Mexico, it’s legal for couples to have sex in a parked vehicle during their lunch break from work, as long as the car or van has drawn curtains to stop strangers from peeking.

In Ohio, riding on the roof of a taxi cab is not allowed. Also, the Ohio driver’s education manual states that you must honk the horn whenever you pass another car.

In Tennessee, a man must walk in front of any car driven by a woman while waving a red flag as a warning.

In Tremonton, Utah, no woman may have sex with a man while riding in an ambulance. If caught, the woman can be charged with a sexual misdemeanor and "her name is to be published in the local newspaper." The man isn’t charged nor is his name revealed.

In Washington, it is mandatory for a motorist with criminal intentions to stop at the city limits and telephone the Chief of Police as he is entering the town.


Read more: Ten Stupid Car Laws - Top Speed


Is it illegal...of course. But then so is almost everything. The real concern is can you handle the fine in the highly unlikely event you are highly unlucky.
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:01 PM
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What catalytic converter?

W126 350 cars do not have one. The sticker on your radiator support should say "NON-CATALYST" on it.



If it did have one you would see few / no gains from removing it. Diesel oxidation cats don't rob that much power in near stock configs.

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Old 09-18-2013, 12:06 PM
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You'll never get stopped by a cop in California if your car is admitting to much smoke.....I was followed along way when I first started driving my euro 300d that sat for ages.....there was such a huge cloud of smoke behind it....you could see it from space....my trunk lid didn't say diesel....the cop stayed behind me and ran my plates....then after awhile he just went around...

A citizen reported that same car in el cerrito for it smoking.....I just got a nice letter in the mail from some outfit related to California's clean air act....I tossed it....

Remove it if you want, but as was said....it may not fix anything.....not positive on this model but the egr valve can cause an intake to plug solid causing issues...
It might be the Officer thought You had enough trouble and that Your Car was not going to last much longer

You can be cited for excessive Smoke on any Vehicle. I have no idea why you were not cited.

Back in 1972 I had a Car that had excessive Blow-by out of the Draft Tube that would collect under the Hood at idle. When you took off all that Smoke came out and left a nice cloud behind you. Once moving there was no visible smoke.

I was pulled over by the City Police and the Officer would not listen to the fact that I was Home on Leave from the Army and was going back I 3 Days so no one would be driving the Car.

The Officer had his Ticket Book out and was about to write and He got a Radio Call. He was clearly pissed off that He got the Call and had to go without writing the Ticket.

So I would say that for sure they can Ticket you for smoke.

Here in Long Beach they successfully banned Older Diesel Trucks from entering the Port.

About in 1993 I twice saw the set up Road Blocks in the City of Los Angeles randomly pulling Cars over and were checking to see if People had bypassed their Emission System on Cars and even doing Tail Pipe Tests.

I was waved by as I was driving the Volvo Diesel.

About one Year ago I think I saw them doing that again but was too far away to be sure what they were doing.

I don't know if they were ticketing People or not or if it was just a fact finding inspection.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:31 PM
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I've heard that I can make a ton of performance improvements if I bypass my Catalytic converter on my 91 350 SD.
Where did you hear that? The limit of .97 mods is loosening the ALDA and full load stop. The OE exhaust system will easily handle that. You can do a 606 turbo swap but the 98-99 E300 exhaust system doesn't look to me to flow any better. A less restrictive exhaust system isn't beneficial until you run a $$$ MYNA pump.

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I was told there is a bypass for it on line but they forgot what it was called. Anyone know what it's called?
Test pipe?

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Old 09-18-2013, 07:37 PM
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What is part 8 in this diagram? because that's where my catalytic converter is.

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What catalytic converter?

W126 350 cars do not have one. The sticker on your radiator support should say "NON-CATALYST" on it.



If it did have one you would see few / no gains from removing it. Diesel oxidation cats don't rob that much power in near stock configs.

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Old 09-18-2013, 09:01 PM
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Is it against CA law to remove catalytic converter in a 91 350 SD?

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Where did you hear that?

I'm sure that they want to remain anonymous because of the trouble they could get in if it got out that they said that. Lets just say it's his job to know.

The limit of .97 mods is loosening the ALDA and full load stop. The OE exhaust system will easily handle that. You can do a 606 turbo swap but the 98-99 E300 exhaust system doesn't look to me to flow any better. A less restrictive exhaust system isn't beneficial until you run a $$$ MYNA pump.

I don't want to over spend for more power if it means that I will potentialy bend one of the piston rods. I'll just be happy to have it at the way it was off the show room floor or just a bit more. I'm not wanting to pull Gs or break the sound barrier.

Test pipe?

Test pipe is correct sir.


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1998 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins
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Old 09-18-2013, 10:03 PM
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Part 8 is a muffler. A cat mounted that far back in the exhaust would do nothing.

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