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Engine Cleaning Damaged Aluminum... now what?
So I've tried cleaning the engine 5 or 6 times with progressively more aggressive chemicals. Today I finally tried that purple bottle of SuperClean. It said to avoid prolonged contact with aluminum so I washed it off in less than 4 minutes (the car wash I used has a timer).
Guess what turned white, cloudy, chalky, milky... whatever you want to call it. Is this serious damage? Would spraying AMSoil Metal Protectant on it prevent evil things from happening? What now, basically? I guess some good came of it. I can finally see the engine. Before there were millimeters of built up grease. It used to be so bad that I actually started out this long quest by scraping it off with a spoon. So from one extreme to another... Any insight or advice much appreciated!
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Pictures would be nice. The metal you're trying to clean may be an alloy of several metals; it depends on the car and what part of the engine. The two cars in your signature have cast iron blocks/heads with an alloy valve cover.
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superclean is really aggressive. Not sure what is in it, but basically you have eched it. I tend to prefer steam cleaning(not pressure washing) and only pre soak with simple green. Amsoil metal protectant will get washed off with heavy duty cleaning, so no it would not have helped. trying it now most likely will not help either. More then likely you will need to buff the aluminum parts on a buffing wheel to restore them. You could try try a "mothers" polishing ball and some compound, then if that will not do it then buffing.
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The engine is now clean enough to facilitate cooling and visual diagnosis of leaks. I'd leave it like it is.
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You can always pop the valvecover off and give it a light hand polish job
Lye causes the protective oxidized layer of aluminum to break down and it looks pretty bad. You just need to polish it starting with 300 grit sandpaper and you're golden
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WD-40 helps to clean it up from my own personal experience
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Thanks for all the replies! I don't have a camera with flash but I'm rectifying that ASAP. So I'll take a photo on my phone tomorrow morning and post it so you can see what I'm talking about. It's a chalky, cloudy bloom. I don't think the surface texture has changed but I want to make sure this isn't the start of some process leading to terror and gnashing of teeth.
Thanks again for the input so far! You're saving me from having horror-movie style nightmares where neither the co-ed or her car survive.
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Looks like it's Lye, my favorite chemical for cleaning Aluminum. Get the MSDS here: Products | SuperClean I like oven cleaner better.
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Maybe Superclean is what is needed for those nasty insides of the Intake Manifolds.
I read of more than one Member using Oven Cleaner.
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AAA CHEMICALS; LYE / SODIUM HYDROXIDE / LYE for SOAP MAKING, BIODIESEL, NAOH, FOOD LYE, RED DEVIL LYE SUBSTITUTE, LYE, LYE, LYE I hear it works for clearing drains too.
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Ok. Got a camera.
So some of it seems to be worse in a few areas. Is any of this stuff I really have to worry about? Any severe enough? I only realised after the fact that it shared the sodium hydroxide ingredient with oven cleaner which, you know, was thrilling. I did put some metal protectant on it earlier at the front of the valve cover and it actually looks normal there now. Although maddeningly when I used a white rag to rub it in the rag came away dirty. Even after using some good ole lye on it. Still. Actually. Dirty.
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If you want it to shine again, you'll have to take it off and polish it. Spray some WD, or some oil on it to stop the oxidation. There is going to by lye left over there, it will oxidize further on rainy or humid days, if you don't.
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Thanks! I will definitely use some WD40 on it tomorrow and some sandpaper if it's bad anywhere like you guys recommend. And I can finally see the leaks now which is weirdly comforting. Time to get cracking on all them then.
Thanks again for all the input, everyone!
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Steel wool works well too.
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Steel wool and many types of sandpaper are bad news on aluminum. Small particles become embedded in the aluminum and cause corrosion at a later date. A 3M Scotchbrite pad (or similar) is a far better option.
I have cautioned against the use of surfactant-type cleaners many times, only to be told I didn't know what I was talking about. Well, this thread is precisely what I was talking about. Interesting reading: http://www.mechanicsupport.com/aircraft_cleaning.html Last edited by qwerty; 10-01-2012 at 12:59 AM. |
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