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Old 10-29-2012, 09:40 PM
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I'm sorry to say that Ah-Kay's earlier advice was wise. That's a 617 5 cylinder engine. It's not the engine you bargained for.

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Old 10-29-2012, 10:03 PM
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A really good used OM617, (5-cylinder turbodiesel), goes for anywhere from $500 and up here in CA. They are extremely common. I just bought one for $200 and it's a good one.

As a contrast, I have a good OM603 engine, (the 6-cylinder TDI that you were supposed to be buying), that is worth easily $2k with the #22 head included. What did you pay for this engine? What happened to your old cylinder head? If they somehow wound up with that, you've been severely ripped-off. You've been had either way, but the cylinder head from your 3.5 was probably a #22 casting and worth about $12-1400 if not damaged.

Wow.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:04 PM
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Don't know how much you paid. It is not the right engine for the car. The tranny was changed also. Not sure about the diff. You dug yourself a big hole.

Good luck with the swap.
Oh, my God! They changed my transmission too?!
Ah-Kay, I should listen to you before. Now, What can I do?
What will happen if I keep driving under this condition?
Listening to the news about Storm Sandy, I really want to drive the car to the street and let the falling branches came down to smash the car.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:27 PM
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Do you have paperwork describing what work they were going to do? If so, what does it say?
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:46 PM
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A really good used OM617, (5-cylinder turbodiesel), goes for anywhere from $500 and up here in CA. They are extremely common. I just bought one for $200 and it's a good one.

As a contrast, I have a good OM603 engine, (the 6-cylinder TDI that you were supposed to be buying), that is worth easily $2k with the #22 head included. What did you pay for this engine? What happened to your old cylinder head? If they somehow wound up with that, you've been severely ripped-off. You've been had either way, but the cylinder head from your 3.5 was probably a #22 casting and worth about $12-1400 if not damaged.

Wow.

I paid $600 for the engine. My old cylinder head and camwas in the trunk when I have the tow truck towed to the yard. When I went back to check on my car two weeks later the trunk was empty and they said they had never seen that cylinder head. What can I say? I have been very honest all my life and never thought someone could lie like this without the blink of his eyes and swore to God about it. When I asked him about the block, he said that he'd thrown it away because I didn't tell him that I needed it. Ah.........
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:48 PM
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I call shenanigans on those people.
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Old 10-29-2012, 11:12 PM
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As a contrast, I have a good OM603 engine, (the 6-cylinder TDI that you were supposed to be buying), ...
To be clear, the 601/2/3/5/6 are not direct injection Diesels. They just seem like it compared to a 617

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Old 10-29-2012, 11:13 PM
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Do you have paperwork describing what work they were going to do? If so, what does it say?
The paper work was very simple.
It said: Engine 300DT $600, labor $500

I was thinking of buying the engine and asked a mechanic to do it in the first place, so i didnt pay too much attention to the paper work
. This place said that they will give me 30 days warranty to exchange for me if the engine is no good, they have two engines. I thought if I have my mechanic do it and the engine is bad then I'd to pay double labor. These people is taking parts out everyday, they must know how to put it in. That's the reason why I use them. I thought as long as they can put the engine in and let me drive back home, I can ask the mechanic to adjust whatever need to be adjusted. May be I was wrong thinking this way.....
What happen to the car if I just keep driving like this.........
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Old 10-29-2012, 11:21 PM
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That is a 300DT engine. Did they give you that paperwork in advance of the work?
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Old 10-30-2012, 12:14 AM
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They saw you coming I suspect. The head in the trunk missing is another indication of the type of people you have been dealing with. They knew what it was worth. They had to have lied to you as well. You also have lost the original transmission.

I do not think this could have worked out any worse if you tried. I would seriously consider a small claims action in court. Although you sometimes cannot collect on the judgement. In your case you are going to need a lawyer as otherwise a judge would be skeptical.

Try asking yourself what type of mechanic charges 4,300 for a head gasket job and it is leaking when you get it back. That is another potential claim. You need education in the way of the world. Otherwise it is going to break you.

I will almost give odds that the 30 day engine gaurantee is not on your bill. If you do not have a bill even you are totally out of luck in my opinion. If by some good fortune it is and you do have a bill try to get your money back as the engine is obviously not runing properly.

Sorry to sound so severe but a wake up call is in order here. There may be some state regulatory agency that can help you. I am a canadian so unsure of proceedures in the states. We all get ripped off a little from time to time. Your senario exceeds almost any I have known of car repair wise and they are not uncommon.

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Old 10-30-2012, 12:30 AM
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Part of the issue is your location. A person needs to be on their toes when it comes to car repairs in NYC. There are lots of people there willing to take advantage of the unwary. Your plan might have worked out in Wichita.
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I knew that they took advantage of me by lying to me that he swear to God that he didn't see the head in the trunk, but I thought if he gave me the right engine and put it in, I'll just let him take the head. Never thought that he even gave me a wrong engine and tried to make it work. I'll go to talk with them in the next couple of days to see what can be worked out.
Still no one want to give me the answer: What will happen if I just keep driving the car with the 5 cyclinder engine in it?
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You drove it home so it is OK so to speak. If it is done properly then the car should be 'drivable' for a long time. MPG would be less and under power. I have seen a 87 300SDL with a 5 cyl OM617 engine before locally, so it is not something out of the ordinary. Your speedo may not be correct if they use the old diff.

Don't want to sound negative. You are done for IMHO. I doubt that you have any redress. Good luck in any event, you need that.
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Old 10-30-2012, 05:50 AM
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If this isn't a joke you need to learn some basic research skills to learn more about cars if you dont have the money to throw at anyone who will take it. For example, just doing a google image search for "om603" and "om617" would tell you what they look like, and a little more research would give you the location of the casting number on the OM603 head and which number heads are better, etc. That would be the minimum to do anytime you are looking for a used engine to not end up throwing the money away. If you really do have enough money to throw away thousands of dollars rather than doing some basic research to know what you are spending money on, i would suggest selling the car you have and getting a 300SDL or whatever else and just paying the dealer to maintain it. Otherwise, if the engine thats in the car runs ok then you might as well drive it, and try to put a little effort into learning about it.
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:09 AM
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... #22 head gone... $2k
... 60x transmission gone...
... 60x block gone, no big deal, it was likely severely damaged anyway... but $100 scrap...
how's the speedo connected, the 91 may not use the same connectors

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