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I ended up making a Tool to press it off. My preference is to have something or use a method that I know is going to work 99% of the time; something that is idiot proof and does not need any sort of skill or technique to be successful.
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I have pulled a steering knuckle 4 separate times on a W123. All the tapers came off easily by hitting the nut/stud with support, without needing any pullers except the last one, in which I could not get the taper to separate on the lower ball joint. How tight each one is seems to be variable. I agree that it is better to have one tool that works 99% of the time.
D911, I ordered the OTC-8149 from Amazon Tradervar for $19.99 Question: Does the upper ball joint have to come out first for the OTC 8149 to fit in the knuckle recess?
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On mine the Arm that attaches to the Steering Knuckle to the Tie Rod (so the Knuckle could be pivoted back towards the rear all of the way) also had to come off as well as the Upper Ball Joint separated . That because you need to lean back the Steering Knuckle and rotate the Steering Knuckle to one side in order to fit in the OTC Tool. You even need to do the same thing with the Mercedes Tool but not as much because it is a smaller Tool.
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Just bought the tool -OTC 8149. Did you remove the spring to pull out the steering knuckle? Im doing this project as soon as the tool and parts arrive. Im not replacing any lower control arm parts since i have no tool to remove the spring.
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I removed the Brake Caliper, and also the Arm that Connects the Steering Knuckle to the Tie Rod. The part that held me up was separating the Upper Control Arm Ball Joint from the Steering Knuckle without damaging the Boot. I was unable to squeeze my un-altered Tool in there. My interpitation of what other Members have said is that if you raise both Control Arms to the same height and raise the rear to shift the weight to the Front it compreses the Front Springs enough to insert the Tool to seperate the Upper Ball Joint. I did not want to do that and made something to do the Job. Back to the Lower Ball Joint. After the Brake Caliper and the Arm that connects to the Tie Rod are of and the upper Ball Joint is separated from the Steering Knuckle it can be bent outwards and rotated towards the rear. Loosen the Lower Ball Joint Nut enough that the self locking part of the not does not grip the threads or leave at least a 1/4" space between the Knuckle and the Nut. All that does is keep the Steering Knuckle from suddenly falling off when the Ball Joint separates. The installed the OTC 8149 as in the pictures. On mine the Pointed end of the Screw Fit into center drilled hole in the Ball Joint Shaft. I don't know if all makes of Ball Joints have that hole. The Tool circled in Red is the one I tried to use to separate the Upper Ball Joint. It might be that I could have ground the Forks wider and thinner and got the Tool to work but I chose not to do that. The Tool was $16 at Harbor Freight The above Tool worked OK to separate the Tie Rod.
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I stopped buying stuff that's made in China. Mainly because I don't want to support their economy when I could instead support ours. But also because I want higher quality stuff.
I've only dealt with LBJ separation on one car. For one side, I was able to use a beefy 2/3 jaw gear puller I have. For the other side, I had to use a cutoff wheel to cut the BJ pin, and then prop up the LCA in a vice with a socket to pop out the tapered pin. That OTC tool looks like it works really well though!
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I am about to do the lower BJ's in my 83 240D. Has anyone used one of these?
OEM/Ball joint/U-Joint press set with 4WD service set (27089) | Ball Joint Press | AutoZone.com I have a similar set. I also have one like this: Stanley Ball Joint & Tie Rod Separator - Supercheap Auto Australia Anybody had any luck with something like this?
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I think I have a 3 Jawed one somewhere but did not think to try it. I think the OTC one is copied from Snap-on. Snap-on makes a CJ115 and CJ119 that look the same. I don't know if the Dimensions are the same or not except that like OTC one of them is larger than the other. I ask one of the eBay Sellers where the Snap-on one was made and He said the USA.
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84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel Last edited by Diesel911; 08-25-2012 at 10:45 PM. |
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In the USA Autozone and some other Chain Part Auto Stores have a free Rental and when you turn the Press back in you get your Money Back on it. The Stanley type tool has worked for some on the Upper Ball Joint. I have a similar one but not the same and I could not get it to fit and did not want to modify it. However, it worked well on the Tie Rods. The Stanley Tool may or may not work on the Large Lower Ball Joint. There is a whole buch of companies that make tools that work on the same principle. Some have choice of 2 holes where they pivot and some do not. I am thinking it is less likely to work on an extremely stuck Lower Ball Joint.
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84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel Last edited by Diesel911; 08-25-2012 at 10:46 PM. |
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Received the OTC-8149 yesterday.
Question for D911: In order to use the OTC-8149, I know you said the upper ball joint has to be separated so the knuckle can be put into a position to fit the OTC-8149. Does the spring have to be compressed with the factory spring compressor in order to fit the OTC-8149?
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If the upper end of the knuckle and the steering arm are disconnected, spring compression (or lack thereof) won't matter. At that point, the movement of the knuckle is restricted only by the lower ball joint and related interference.
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I did not compress the Spring with any Tool. I had lower Control Arm resting on a Jack Stand, the Wheel off, the Brake Caliper off and the Arm that connects to the Tie Rod off of the Steering Knuckle.
Removing the Arm that connects to the Tie Rod allowd the Steering Knuckle to be rotated towards the Rear more than if it was still there.
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In order to use the $17 Chicago Tool from Harbor Freight on the Upper Control Arm you need to widen the Forked part at least 1-1/16 of an inch and restore the tapered/beveled area that you cut off.
The pic on the far left is not the Uppper Control Arm and was used used just to show the side view of the Tool. The Tool would be used in a similar fashion on the Upper Control Arm but the position of the Tool would be different. Some lube could also be used on the Forked part to keep it from grabbing the Boot as you slied in between.
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I just bought that same tool at HF, $19.99 on sale a couple days ago for $16 and then used my 20% off coupon on top of it.
Used it in PNP to pop off 3 tie rods, worked great. Not sure if I would want to remove some meat from the fork part, seems like it would weaken it. pretty thin as it is. 3/4" Forged Ball Point Joint Separator This tool is listed as US General as their brand. I first searched their site for tie rod and ball joint seperator. all that came up was. "Pickle Forks". I finally went to their store and found this tool on the shelf. then searching their part# 99849, it is not in their inventory. ![]() Charlie
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there were three HP ratings on the OM616... 1) Not much power 2) Even less power 3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast. 80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works Last edited by charmalu; 09-05-2012 at 10:58 AM. |
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Next time I have the gear puller out, I'll take a picture of it. It's actually part of a slide hammer kit. I read some older threads on separating the LBJ, and somewhere I read that once you have your press/puller tool on it, you hit the side of the LCA with a hammer and it should pop apart. That worked for me on the first LBJ on the first try, but on the second LBJ the tool would just pop off with each hammer strike. :/
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