1969 camaro om617 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

flipsta510fazn · #1 03-12-2012, 02:07 AM

i have a 1969 camaro project with a straight 6 3 speed...
i want to put a om617a i have laying around, i want to run wvo...
i dont care about the power, but i want it to be a manual behind it. i was thinking of a t56 sbc version not lsx, with the adaptor from 4x4labs will that work?
i want to get GREAT mpg like mid 30's so i can drive the car everyday, of course not really spending money on the tank...

so far what i will do with the om617 turbo is change glow plugs and delete egr and adjust the alda... valve job ect
what do i search for to find the diagram to run the wires to start the motor and glow plugs how can i alter the rely or whatever? im not too knowledgeable in this swap.

what kind of cold air system should i go and filter i know om617 from reading doesnt go with K&N LMAO.
Also do i need to put an oil cooler, or can i delete that.

i have a 67 camaro with an ls1 t56 so thats why i dont want another gas muscle car since gas is up there...

Please dont Judge me with this, I know people will not like what ill do with my car, but i dont want to spend much. I was looking at 4bt's but i dont know much about it, plus its hard to find. Im with a muscle car club in bay area and trust me ill be hearing hella **** about what ill do, but its my car... ill tell them lets race to San Diego and see who'll make it there first haha... ill be the turtle that beats the rabbit. ill look at it that way

charmalu · #2 03-12-2012, 02:40 AM

sounds like an interesting project. have you read through this thread as it has been moving along? He is doing what I have read, won`t work for various reasons. too tall, too long, too heavy too.....

380SL Diesel Conversion Project

Hey, go for it. there use to be a Youtube video of a 67 Mercury Couger with a OM617 engine. can`t seem to find it now.

Charlie

Stretch · #3 03-12-2012, 03:59 AM

Go for it - sounds like a great conversion - you can only improve a Camaro in my opinion!

I wouldn't expect the mpg figures you are looking for though - how heavy is a Camaro? It's a big old heavy tractor with cart horse rear springs isn't it?

engatwork · #4 03-12-2012, 08:41 AM

If you want mpg and don't plan on drag racing go with a 240D non turbo engine. It would be sweet with some kind of 5 speed manual bolted to the back of it. A decent automotive machine shop should be able to facbricate a plate to adapt the tranny to the rear of the 617.

In my opinion I would look for a 606 intercooled turbo diesel out of a 98/99 model to install in front of a 5 speed manual with overdrive. It would be interesting to set it up without the electronics in the engine.

vstech · #5 03-12-2012, 08:48 AM

as long as you understand that the 6.2/5 engine is a direct bolt in, and simple mod, and you could EASILY sell the 617 for twice what you'll pay for a pair of running 6.2's...

also, the 3 speed likely has a 290 or 3.08 rear gear... that should be changed for better acceleration...
it should be fun. I've thought about it on one of my 4 first gens... the camaro is approximately the same curb weight as the 123/126, and if you toss some steel panels for fiberglass, you can offset it more.
take pics.

rscurtis · #6 03-12-2012, 10:25 AM

A '69 Camaro is highly collectible. I would sell it and use the $ to finance another project- one who's value you won't kill by modding it.

vstech · #7 03-12-2012, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rscurtis

A '69 Camaro is highly collectible. I would sell it and use the $ to finance another project- one who's value you won't kill by modding it.

bah.
the 69 6/3 is clone fodder. tons of worthless examples out there. also, if all mods are BOLT ON, they are 100% reversible.
ya want one of mine?

KarTek · #8 03-12-2012, 12:25 PM

I would second the advice to go with a '98/'99 OM 606 turbo/intercooled. It would certainly deliver the performance and economy unmodified, especially with a t-56.

Mine routinely delivers mid 30's on the highway with the automatic.

The engine is also much more refined and suited to the car's character. The 617 is good for small trucks and plucky sedans for long life and reliability.

flipsta510fazn · #9 03-12-2012, 12:36 PM

i just want it reliable, also i dont really want to find another motor im just wondering how difficult will this be to put the swap into a chevy

KarTek · #10 03-12-2012, 12:41 PM

I've seen 617's in S10 trucks and the biggest problem is the interference between the oil filter housing and the brake booster. On this particular vehicle, the filter was tucked so far back that you couldn't even open it to change the element.

It would probably be easier on the Camaro since it has a longer engine bay designed for the 250-6. You'll also have to convert to a hydraulic clutch most likely.

Orv · #11 03-12-2012, 01:32 PM

You are crazy, but it's a good kind of crazy.

Me, I always wanted to stick a VW 1.6TD in the back of a Baja Beetle...

panZZer · #12 03-13-2012, 07:15 PM

This aint worth commenting on -just

mach4 · #13 03-13-2012, 07:49 PM

The biggest problem I see right off the bat, is the Chevys have a rear sump.

Which puts the 617 sump about right in the middle of the crossmember and steering gear.

It's not really feasible to try to go with a rear sump because of the way the 617 oil pump is configured, i.e. you can't just move the pickup.

I saw one conversion where they took everything out and went with a Mustang subframe with rack and pinion ahead of the engine. The 107s use a subframe so it might be possible to drop one of those in. But then you're talking about adapting dissimilar steering gear and all that.

Not saying it can't be done, but it would be a whole bunch of work and engineering to make it happen.

mach4 · #14 03-13-2012, 08:55 PM

Well, lookie here, it can be done...

Bio Diesel 68 Camaro - YouTube

Now I'm really curious how he did it.

zeeman · #15 03-13-2012, 09:02 PM

I think this would be a great project, the 606 would be a nicer engine but no adapters are available for this engine and they are more expensive.
The frame crossmsmber can be modified to clear the 617 sump and reinforced. The front frame clip can also be removed to make this easier.
4x4 labs does make an adapter to use any GM standard transmission.
There are some modified 617 engines on this blog that would blow the doors off of a small block. Go for it. You could go with a truck bellhousing with a slave cylinder for the clutch to make it easier.