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Old 06-08-2011, 01:14 AM
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W124 vacuum reservoir - purpose?

A quick search of this forum brought up no information on the purpose of the vacuum reservoir in my 1987 300D Turbo (W124, OM603). The reservoir is located with the coolant overflow bottle in the right wheel well. [Yes, the overflow hose is disconnected. The picture was taken a couple of years ago when I opened up the wheel well to replace the hose, which was rotten.]





The vacuum diagram shows the reservoir is connected to the 'blue flying saucer' that, with the VCV, controls vacuum to the transmission. In the following diagram, the reservoir is #9 while the blue flying saucer is #123.





Unlike W123 cars, engine vacuum is not used for door locks. I can only imagine that the reservoir helps keep the transmission vacuum steady. Maybe the transmission modulator requires more vacuum for a second or two than the pump can supply. Anyone have a better guess?

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Old 06-08-2011, 02:12 AM
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I'm trying to figure out why it's all the way on the right. The black hose doubles reservoir volume.

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Old 06-08-2011, 10:33 AM
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Plug it off and see if the tranny shifts differently. For both hot and cold engine scenarios. Slam it back on and do some A/B comparos in each scenario. Document your findings here.

Be the first to post what the "double bubble" does with respect to the blue UFO.

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Unlike W123 cars, engine vacuum is not used for door locks. I can only imagine that the reservoir helps keep the transmission vacuum steady. Maybe the transmission modulator requires more vacuum for a second or two than the pump can supply. Anyone have a better guess?

Jeremy
Most probably the reservoir exists to damp otherwise normal fluctuations in vacuum levels. Lots of vehicles have reservoirs even though they have no need for "residual" vacuum, as would be the case with door locks.
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Old 06-08-2011, 10:46 AM
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Yup, it's there to keep the vacuum to the automatic climate control even, so the doors always do what they should and can switch quickly when the vacuum supply is lower, EG idle.

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Old 06-08-2011, 10:50 AM
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That picture also shows the coolant overflow tank. I want to take mine out and clean it... no telling what is in there or how gross it is :S

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I have a similar question, on my car there is a brick red vacuum line branching off main vacuum from behind the brake booster (HVAC/headrest control lines) - to the right of the car under the wiper cowl to behind the battery and disappearing into the right fender. Is this the same thing?
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Old 06-08-2011, 12:01 PM
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The reservoir acts like a capacitor, or maybe a battery is a better comparison, which will tend to keep the vacuum more stable during operation.
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Old 06-08-2011, 12:26 PM
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That picture also shows the coolant overflow tank. I want to take mine out and clean it... no telling what is in there or how gross it is :S

-J
Mine was pretty cruddy. I posted a thread here, in fact you made a comment on it.

The overflow reservoir was not easy to clean, IIRC, there is only one small opening into it, plus a vent. Hard to get a brush into. I used hot water and various nasty chemicals, I think.
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Since I have vacuum reservoirs on the brain this morning, I thought I'd revive this old thread and make an observation.

In most W124 vacuum circuits, there is only ONE vacuum line going to the vacuum reservoir. http://www.w124performance.com/service/w124CD1/Program/Engine/602_603/07.1-0500.pdf While I've never seen the insides of a reservoir, my guess, from the outward appearance, is that there are two chambers....and that when the first chamber gets depleted it draws on the second chamber.

But, for years 90-91, there are TWO lines that go to the reservoir: one from the BFS area and one from the passenger side. Assuming that the reservoir design is exactly the same, I suppose that would allowing for buffering going in both directions.

So, it seems to me that, when you eliminate the vacuum rat's nest on the passenger side of the engine in connection with the wastegate swap that many of us have done, you unwittingly create a vacuum leak unless you plug or eliminate the reservoir part of the circuit.

I did the wastegate swap almost two years ago but never noticed this until today. I can only surmise that I've had a "leak" all this time without any ill effects (perhaps because of how the internals of the reservoir are designed). In any event, I've now eliminated the reservoir to eliminate the possibility of leaks from that part of the system.
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W124 Wastegate Swap

I know this is a very old thread, but hopefully one of you is still around. I purchased my first W124 this summer and love the car. I do appear to have a vacuum leak and issues with the vacuum controlled doors on the climate control. I am particularly interested in the wastegate swap mentioned in one of the last posts. It appears this was used to eliminate the vacuum reservoir in the passenger fender. How can I tell if this swap was completed on my car? I have no reservoir in the passenger fender and no vacuum lines in that area. Only the place the reservoir should be mounted.
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Find the wastegate actuator. What's connected to it: a vacuum line or a pressure line? If it's the former, then the swap has not been done; if the latter, then it has been done.

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I know this is a very old thread, but hopefully one of you is still around. I purchased my first W124 this summer and love the car. I do appear to have a vacuum leak and issues with the vacuum controlled doors on the climate control. I am particularly interested in the wastegate swap mentioned in one of the last posts. It appears this was used to eliminate the vacuum reservoir in the passenger fender. How can I tell if this swap was completed on my car? I have no reservoir in the passenger fender and no vacuum lines in that area. Only the place the reservoir should be mounted.
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Old 10-05-2020, 01:58 PM
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I know this is a very old thread, but hopefully one of you is still around. I purchased my first W124 this summer and love the car. I do appear to have a vacuum leak and issues with the vacuum controlled doors on the climate control. I am particularly interested in the wastegate swap mentioned in one of the last posts. It appears this was used to eliminate the vacuum reservoir in the passenger fender. How can I tell if this swap was completed on my car? I have no reservoir in the passenger fender and no vacuum lines in that area. Only the place the reservoir should be mounted.
What model year 300D do you have?

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