Do all w123 passenger side mirrors have magnification? My 82 coupe has a blue glass magnifying mirror. As my 81 has no ps outboard mirror, I don't know if this is normal. My 83 and 85 sedans didn't have it, but it sure does seem to be OE. It is different than my 83 and 85 though because it is manual whereas the others were electric on that side...

Frankly the magnification is getting annoying as it limits the breadth of view, creating a blindspot which is bad for reversing or parking...

Can the glass be easily replaced?

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Current Diesels:
1981 240D (73K)
1982 300CD (169k)
1985 190D (169k)
1991 350SD (116k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (267k)

Past Diesels:
1983 300D (228K), 1985 300D (233K), 1993 300D 2.5T (338k), 1993 300SD (291k)

I don't think they normally had convex mirrors. Some idiot installed one on my 300D and I trashed it. You should be able to find the correct used mirror.

If you guys don't want the convex lenses, please save them for us who do. They're not easy to come by especially with manually operated ones (from what I've seen).

Yes, they are factory. Just not sure what applications called for what (if they were on the options list).

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most 240's didn't even come with passenger's mirrors.
in what world does a convex mirror create a blind spot?
or are you talking about the round stick on mirrors that many place on the glass?
convex gives you a wider field of view, and WHEN ADJUSTED PROPERLY eliminates (don't misspell that word and have the spell check fix it!!!) the blind spot around your car.

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Are we using "Convex" and "Magnfied" interchangibly here?

My 82 wagon has a magnified PS mirror. Took me all of a couple of weeks to get used to it; and another month to appreciate the design.

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1982 240 D, 308,000 - 321,127 miles (sold)
1982 300 TD,166,500 - 226,000 miles
1998 E 320, 120,000 - 144,000 miles
2005 C 230 K, 26,000 - 77,000 miles (sold)

Those mirrors are one of the many things I dislike about newer cars. A properly adjusted flat mirror works just fine and is better for judging distance.

Never seen a magnified mirror on a new car. But I think we might be confusing two different things/mirrors/terms convex vs. magnified. The magnified mirror is flat. You won't see "vehicles are closer than they appear" written on the magnified mirrors. In fact, vehicles are farther away in reality, giving the driver more room than the mirror would suggest. I think its neat, but not sure if its OE (Been trying to determine that for a few years now).

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1982 240 D, 308,000 - 321,127 miles (sold)
1982 300 TD,166,500 - 226,000 miles
1998 E 320, 120,000 - 144,000 miles
2005 C 230 K, 26,000 - 77,000 miles (sold)

I have never seen anything like that on a car of any age. I was referring to convex type mirrors. Why would anyone want a mirror with a narrower field of view and an inaccurate apparent distance?

I don`t know either if they were an option, but I pulled 2 a few from PNP. I needed one for my new 240, and found a Euro with one. actually pulled both as the DS was scratched up. both are manual. the PS doesn`t have the warning written on the glass.

I replaced the one one the 85 300D because the mirror would move when the door was opened and shut. the replacement is a wide angle mirror.
this one has the words " objects in mirror are closer than they appear".

call them magnifying, convex, or wide angle. there is no blind spot in the mirror I can see. they do pick up a vehicle to my right I might miss.

Charlie

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2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

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Ok, that helps. When I hear "convex mirror", I picture those spherical disks type mirrors used by folks pulling trailers, etc. Now if we only knew what the OP meant...

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1982 240 D, 308,000 - 321,127 miles (sold)
1982 300 TD,166,500 - 226,000 miles
1998 E 320, 120,000 - 144,000 miles
2005 C 230 K, 26,000 - 77,000 miles (sold)

Yes, people are confusing convex for magnified. Magnified does just that, makes things bigger, but reduces the overall area you can see. This is opposed to convex which distorts on the outer edges in order to get a far wider breadth of view. A mag mirror is typically seen in beauty salons or bathrooms where the mirror blows up what it is reflecting... It shows less, bigger, as opposed to wider or more view.

Since I don't have an electric ps mirror, sometimes it gets tough parking or backing up. It limits breadth of field compared to a normal flat mirror, which can be very troublesome...

An example is my house. My driveway is directly alongside my house - no space. Up to the point where the house starts, the driveway has a steep incline. If I pull up headfirst, I'm squeezed against the house (not good for a long door coupe). If I back in, my door is on the side with more space, but I need to align up the incline (which only has 6-10 inches on each side before curbs on either side).

So, with the magnifying mirror I can only align the d/s mirror/wheels/curb, and can't see the p/s wheels/curb/house. Be off a little bit and I could back right into the corner of the house...

A normal mirror that didn't magnify would let me see the whole p/s situation that is behind me and assure that alignment is right. Otherwise I could be off an are shooting blind, which is not a good thing with a w123, with it's loose steering...

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Current Diesels:
1981 240D (73K)
1982 300CD (169k)
1985 190D (169k)
1991 350SD (116k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (267k)

Past Diesels:
1983 300D (228K), 1985 300D (233K), 1993 300D 2.5T (338k), 1993 300SD (291k)

It seems you need a manual convex PS mirror?

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Both type of mirrors have their good and bad points.
You made a good point, when backing up in a tight situation, the wide angle throws off the depth perception quite a bit. but for that minor inconvience, it really pay`s off out on the highways.

the stick on mirrors are ok, but they are fixed to the mirror and can`t be adjusted seperately.
I bought a set of stick on mirrors at a Good-Guy car show a few years ago. they have a base that sticks on the mirror, and a seperate mirror, the two pieces attach together in a ball and socket. then the mirror can be adjusted seperately from the big mirror. I lost the right side one, but still have the DS one. really is a nice feature. I have never seen this type any other place than that car show, and the vendor hasn`t been around the past 5 yrs.
Loosing that little mirror made the decision to replace it with the wide angle MB mirror.

I really relied on those wide angle mirrors driving Dump trucks etc... where you can`t see out the rear window because of the dump bed. even with the 14"X5" mirrors there are blind spots, and the little stick on mirrow was ok but sucked. it was the 8" wide angle that really paid off. even so, there are blind spots from the truck drivers view.

So don`t POO POO these wide angle mirrors, all the comments in this thread will be from each persons point of view and experience.

Charlie

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works

Ah, now I understand. Never had that problem, but maybe having a wagon with all that extra glass helps..

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1982 240 D, 308,000 - 321,127 miles (sold)
1982 300 TD,166,500 - 226,000 miles
1998 E 320, 120,000 - 144,000 miles
2005 C 230 K, 26,000 - 77,000 miles (sold)

Think so, as I have the opposite to yours... If it was my mirror, you would see an enlarged view of a smaller cross-section in the mirror.
Ill try to get a picture later.

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Current Diesels:
1981 240D (73K)
1982 300CD (169k)
1985 190D (169k)
1991 350SD (116k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (267k)

Past Diesels:
1983 300D (228K), 1985 300D (233K), 1993 300D 2.5T (338k), 1993 300SD (291k)