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Old 02-18-2009, 01:38 AM
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Checked the odometer - appears to be an error of 0.05 miles / 10.
0-60 time measured twice at 14 seconds and 15 seconds.
Fuel economy is poor.

Performance 0-60 is miserable, especially with new valves.

You stated that you recently replaced the catalyst. Any chance that this device is an aftermarket POS that is causing a significant exhaust restriction?

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Old 02-18-2009, 01:51 AM
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Old 02-18-2009, 03:54 AM
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Fuel economy is poor.

Performance 0-60 is miserable, especially with new valves.

You stated that you recently replaced the catalyst. Any chance that this device is an aftermarket POS that is causing a significant exhaust restriction?
Thanks, don't be shy now - tell me what you really think -about my "miserable" 0-60 time.
I think I could have gotten better times for a number of reasons .
What should I expect 0-60?

The trap oxidizer was replaced at the local MB dealer under recall (or what ever it was called )- I hope it is not a knockoff. It may have 2K miles on it.
I was under it today replacing flex discs, I saw no MB marks on the catalyst - perhaps they come unmarked, though I sort of doubt it.
Unfortunately though, after the fact, I learned that this dealer does not have the best reputation of MB dealers in the U.S..

When they did the trap - catalyst switch they -
broke 2 of the 3 hangers for the muffler and left the muffler hanging on 1,
failed to tighten a turbo bracket (bolt was half way out),
failed to tighten the exhaust pipe flange ,
did not replace the exhaust pipe coupling gasket - re-used the old one,
left the pipe from exhaust manifold to turbo loose,
it is was poor and unprofessional job - no doubt.
I had a chat with MB USA LLC regarding the workmanship, got some results.
Never occurred to me that my catalyst might not be MB.
I hope it is not a POS catalyst. Will look into this further.
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:05 AM
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Thanks, don't be shy now - tell me what you really think -about my "miserable" 0-60 time.
I think I could have gotten better times for a number of reasons .
What should I expect 0-60?

The trap oxidizer was replaced at the local MB dealer under recall (or what ever it was called )- I hope it is not a knockoff. It may have 2K miles on it.
I was under it today replacing flex discs, I saw no MB marks on the catalyst - perhaps they come unmarked, though I sort of doubt it.
Unfortunately though, after the fact, I learned that this dealer does not have the best reputation of MB dealers in the U.S..

When they did the trap - catalyst switch they -
broke 2 of the 3 hangers for the muffler and left the muffler hanging on 1,
failed to tighten a turbo bracket (bolt was half way out),
failed to tighten the exhaust pipe flange ,
did not replace the exhaust pipe coupling gasket - re-used the old one,
left the pipe from exhaust manifold to turbo loose,
it is was poor and unprofessional job - no doubt.
I had a chat with MB USA LLC regarding the workmanship, got some results.
Never occurred to me that my catalyst might not be MB.
I hope it is not a POS catalyst. Will look into this further.
I'm not known for "beating around the bush" on here. You can find plenty of other folks who will talk your ear off..........

O-60 on the '87, which has a new head, is a relatively slow (to me) 12.8 seconds. That's about the factory spec.

0-60 on the '86 is 10.7.........original 14 head. It's very quick.

At the moment, the discrepancy is a mystery to me..........but, I, too will be poking into the exhaust and the catalyst on the '87.

In your case, I don't think that the exhaust can be the sole culprit here. Furthermore, no matter the brand of cat, it's unlikely that it has plugged in such a short time.

Was there any relationship between the point where the performance fell and when the new cat and exhaust system was installed?
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I think my boost is low (2-2.5 PSI) per FSM at 1600 rpm, or my gauge is junk.
I'm sure your gauge is fine.

Please connect the boost gauge to the ALDA line and route the gauge inside the cabin (through the driver's window).

Drive the vehicle and observe the gauge. Get a reading in third gear at 3500 rpm with the pedal on the floor. Report back.
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Old 02-18-2009, 01:40 PM
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Ok, you mentioned the precombustion chambers being OK..
Would you mind telling us exactly what you did to come to that conclusion ?
Did you take them out and examine all the little holes to make sure they were unrestricted?
If you need to take them out to check that then also be sure you have the uprated hole structure... like most other things MB did there are several changes made over time... and you might benefit from having the latest design for your engine. ( number and size of holes was changed I think... don't know about direction of hole pointing ).
5 holes around the sides and 1 small one on the bottom?
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Old 02-18-2009, 01:56 PM
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I always got 23.5 around town with my SDL on summer fuel, as soon as they switched over to winter fuel I lost 2mpg like clockwork.

I suspect your odometer.
so, how do I bring that up into the 27 range lol...

I'm milking it right now to see how much I can get from a tank
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Old 02-18-2009, 02:10 PM
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Drive on the highway! The tank you have right now is winter fuel so don't expect much. I bet you get 450-475 out of it, you won't get above 500 before the light comes on unless your doing a lot of highway driving.
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Old 02-18-2009, 02:11 PM
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I knew it was crappy winter fuel... lol

Can't wait to get some regular diesel in there
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I'm sure your gauge is fine.

Please connect the boost gauge to the ALDA line and route the gauge inside the cabin (through the driver's window).

Drive the vehicle and observe the gauge. Get a reading in third gear at 3500 rpm with the pedal on the floor. Report back.
At 3500 RPM in 3rd gear floored I get 11.5 - 12 PSI boost.
With the trans in drive and flooring it, I more consistently get 12 PSI.
No matter what gear though, my boost max. is 12 PSI even at 3800 RPM.
I guess the waste gate actuator is working.
The FSM states that I should achieve about 5.0 PSI boost at 1600 RPM.
I am still down around 2.0 -2.5 PSI at 1600 RPM level.
There is a lot variance based on load and temperature below 2000 RPM.
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:57 PM
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I'm not known for "beating around the bush" on here. You can find plenty of other folks who will talk your ear off..........

O-60 on the '87, which has a new head, is a relatively slow (to me) 12.8 seconds. That's about the factory spec.

0-60 on the '86 is 10.7.........original 14 head. It's very quick.

At the moment, the discrepancy is a mystery to me..........but, I, too will be poking into the exhaust and the catalyst on the '87.

In your case, I don't think that the exhaust can be the sole culprit here. Furthermore, no matter the brand of cat, it's unlikely that it has plugged in such a short time.

Was there any relationship between the point where the performance fell and when the new cat and exhaust system was installed?
I have not looked at the catalyst since my last post, however I can't duplicate your 10.7.
My best is about 13 sec. 0-60 flat out , floored.
I don't see smoke when idling or light acceleration ,but do have quite a bit when the beast is floored.

When I purchased the car it was a dog. Had been sitting about 2 years and started periodically but not driven.
As I have repaired and replaced virtually everything except the lower end, the performance has increased but leveled off.
I can identify no specific point in time or incident where the MPG has fallen.
It is just a matter of after the repairs and such, not achieving the frequently reported higher mileage.
I suppose I should be glad that I'm getting what I do for mileage.
Unfortunately , so many people are getting better , you know, MPG envy or some such macho thing.
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Old 02-22-2009, 10:47 PM
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Unfortunately , so many people are getting better , you know, MPG envy or some such macho thing.
You really must be careful of the claims made for this vehicle. I'll guarantee that this '86 gets 28 mpg in the summer...........never less..........but, realize that I'm on the highway 90% of the time and my speeds around the NYC area are never more than 70 mph. Furthermore, I'm an "anti-brake" fanatic..........I can go 150 miles and only hit the brakes for the toll booth and the three cloverleafs.

It's a rather heavy vehicle and if you use it around town, those numbers are impossible to achieve.
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Low 20's are what I saw. 90%-100% around town, 2k-3k shifts, some AC.

My broker drivers her 86 with a lead foot, I mean she floors it all the time the throttle is really an on off switch with her, she gets about 20.

Still considering these are big heavy cars, and a 560SEL would get about half that...its not so bad.
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Old 02-22-2009, 11:00 PM
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Low 20's are what I saw. 90%-100% around town, 2k-3k shifts, some AC.

My broker drivers her 86 with a lead foot, I mean she floors it all the time the throttle is really an on off switch with her, she gets about 20.

Still considering these are big heavy cars, and a 560SEL would get about half that...its not so bad.
I got 21 mpg on winter fuel with the AC on 75% of the time and like 50/50 city,hwy.

not bad for a big S-Class.. the 560SEL gets what... 12?
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Old 02-22-2009, 11:09 PM
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Yeah thats what I always figured. I mean even my Golf doesn't do much better than that. I think I can get 26 if I short shift it at 2k.

For what they are these cars do pretty good.

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