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Old 01-08-2008, 04:49 PM
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Old 01-08-2008, 04:52 PM
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I don't think I've ever really had any luck with beating on the wrenches; it's only ever led to rounded heads and destroyed fasteners, adding a whole other headache to the one I already have. The extra combo wrench is the way to go.
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Old 01-08-2008, 06:19 PM
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the alternator is made by a company called Iskra, as is the VR I took out of it. I havent found a place that sells these regulators. Im looking at buying a new alternator at the moment.....
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Old 01-08-2008, 07:35 PM
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Buy the Bosch!!!!!!

Or more specifically, DON"T BUY DURALAST!!!!!!
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Old 01-08-2008, 07:47 PM
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Buy the Bosch!!!!!!

Or more specifically, DON"T BUY DURALAST!!!!!!
Actually, I currently have a Denso in mine. It was recommended by the indy who replaced it last time (in TX), so far so good. As I recall, it cost about the same as the Bosch (maybe a tad more expensive).
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:23 PM
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Iskra, that`s what my starter is.

That bottom bolt can be a pia, I couldn`t get mine to budge at all.
When I was replacing my eng back in July, I was removing all the
unessary junk before I pulled it to save weight.

I finally had to remove the aluminium mount off the eng. with the
alternator. I could turn the bolt and backed it out of the threaded part.
but that was about it. I even used an impact, soaked it in PB Blaster
for about 3 wks. finally got a smaller bolt and beat the snot out of it, and
finally the bolt slowley come out. there was so much rust on the bolt,
and it made the bolt extra tight.

At the time I didn`t think about using heat.

On one of my trips to PNP I got another mount, and was about to buy
another alternator.
When I got everything bolted back together (with a new bolt) I coated
everything liberally with anti seiz.

I guess since that bolt hangs down so low all the salt and other crap
on the road get thrown in there.

Charlie
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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

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Old 01-09-2008, 02:01 AM
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Im trying to remove the ****** alternator on my 83 300D. The bottom bolt is being a major pain in my arse. There isnt enough room to put a socket on it because of the frigging A/C line thats in the way. I can get a 17 MM wrench on the bolt, but cant get enough torque on it to break the bolt loose. There is no way to get it from the top either.

Im at my ****** wits end with this god forsaken machine.

Anyone have any ideas on what I may try to do before I take a shotgun to it and send it to the local junk yard??????
OK the bottom bolt. The AC line is in the way. If you unbolt the AC line where it is attached to the oil pan and remove the the bolt attaching it to the block, you can move the AC line out of the way and attack the bottom bolt via a socket on an extension ( about 6 inches) and a ratchet from under the car and towards the rear of the engine. Done this many a time. In a Mercedes it is usually better to remove the things in your way than to try and go around them.
Alternator, I know that some don't like the idea of a rebuilt from Oreallys ($50-60) But its cheaper than a new Bosch and has a lifetime guarantee. And once you figure out how to R+R an alternator quickly, if you have to replace it is should go quickly.

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Old 01-09-2008, 09:44 AM
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Alternator, I know that some don't like the idea of a rebuilt from Oreallys ($50-60) But its cheaper than a new Bosch and has a lifetime guarantee. And once you figure out how to R+R an alternator quickly, if you have to replace it is should go quickly.
I once bought a McParts alternator for mine (on a saturday when I couldn't get the correct part), ended up driving home from IA to CO without an alternator after the new one died. Had it replaced again for free About a month later it died again in chicago, tossed it and had a local shop install a bosch. Buying junk, even junk with a lifetime guarantee, is a waste of time and effort.
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Old 01-09-2008, 10:46 AM
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Iskra, that`s what my starter is.

That bottom bolt can be a pia, I couldn`t get mine to budge at all.
When I was replacing my eng back in July, I was removing all the
unessary junk before I pulled it to save weight.

I finally had to remove the aluminium mount off the eng. with the
alternator. I could turn the bolt and backed it out of the threaded part.
but that was about it. I even used an impact, soaked it in PB Blaster
for about 3 wks. finally got a smaller bolt and beat the snot out of it, and
finally the bolt slowley come out. there was so much rust on the bolt,
and it made the bolt extra tight.

At the time I didn`t think about using heat.

On one of my trips to PNP I got another mount, and was about to buy
another alternator.
When I got everything bolted back together (with a new bolt) I coated
everything liberally with anti seiz.

I guess since that bolt hangs down so low all the salt and other crap
on the road get thrown in there.

Charlie
On mine, there is a section of that bolt accessible between the two ears on the alternator. It must be the corrosion on that section which inhibits the bolt from passing through the outer section on its way out. I would clean up that middle section with sandpaper or a wire brush, accessing it's full diameter by turning the bolt if mine was stuck.
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Old 01-09-2008, 12:01 PM
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alternators by Iskra

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the alternator is made by a company called Iskra, as is the VR I took out of it. I havent found a place that sells these regulators. Im looking at buying a new alternator at the moment.....
You won't find any. Iskra is a company based in Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia became extinct as a country in 1997.

Bosch subcontracted to them, so did Ducellier in France.

Usually their stuff is pretty good. But everything wears out sooner or later.
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Old 01-09-2008, 09:25 PM
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On mine, there is a section of that bolt accessible between the two ears on the alternator. It must be the corrosion on that section which inhibits the bolt from passing through the outer section on its way out. I would clean up that middle section with sandpaper or a wire brush, accessing it's full diameter by turning the bolt if mine was stuck.
The threaded end of the mount is about an inch long, and the other end is two inches or so, and the alternator fits in between the two. the bolt was
hung up on the end facing the rear on the eng. the alternator was loose
on the bolt but did have rust in that part also.
I was looking in my junk pile of parts for the old mount, darn if I can find
it now. have to get a big stick and stur the pile and see what floats to
the surface..

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1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

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Old 01-09-2008, 09:40 PM
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You won't find any. Iskra is a company based in Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia became extinct as a country in 1997.

Bosch subcontracted to them, so did Ducellier in France.

Usually their stuff is pretty good. But everything wears out sooner or later.
Thats interesting, go to bed in Yugoslavia, and wake up in another country. amazing how these countrys keep changing names.

I bought two Iskra starters on e-bay, both new in the box. first one lasted four yrs or so, started to grind. the shaft slides back and fourth, and doesn`t let the gear move far enough forward. bushing or bearing mist have failed. I`ll see if it can be repaired.
If Bosch contracted out to them, the parts might be interchangeable.

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works
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Old 01-09-2008, 11:46 PM
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Iskra still exists as a company, and they still make the VR for my alternator. But Im just going to buy a new or rebuilt alternator and slap it in. It will be better in the long run because of the new bearings and such....
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Old 03-20-2008, 06:03 PM
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well you guys are lucky over all!!!!! LOL hahahaha sorry but i have changed atleast 25+ alternators on MB diesel including my cars and never had any problem removing bolts but i agree with heating the bottom bolt before you strip the head i am found out over the year striping a bolt head is never good or breaking the bolt in half is EVEN WORSE so take a break drink some beer come back fresh to it later heat the thing up and use some nice anti size on it after and should be allset i rather heat things up take a break then strip and cry! Beer is a good helper my friend! frustration and mechanic wll make you cry sometimes after a beer i find a new way to do things! but i cant allways drink some beers early in the morning tho hahahah !
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Old 03-20-2008, 11:22 PM
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Here's a pic of the ratchet after loosening the bolt that you get to "thru" the fan. Had to use a cheater pipe on it too.
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