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View Poll Results: How would you feel about Chinese-made nozzles?
I'd give them a shot if the price were right. 4 8.51%
I'd only consider them after hearing positive reports from other users. 12 25.53%
I would not consider a Chinese made nozzle under any circumstances. 31 65.96%
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Old 01-14-2008, 03:28 PM
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I think that it also depends on your ability to do the repairs yourself. If you pay to have your injectors removed, rebuilt, rebuilt, and installed you want to use the best quaity nozzles so you will not have to pay to do it all over again.
In my case I have the Nozzle tester and the on the job experience to do everthing including the injector rebuilding myself. When I overhauled the injectors on my car I used Brand X Italian nozzles at $10.68 each. When I bought them I did not know where they were made; they could just have easily been from China. I had a just bought a used Mercedes that ran rough at idle and I wanted to get it running and on the road. With the cheap nozzles I had money left over for the other things that needed to be done to get the car road worthy.
Now that 11 months has gone buy I am thinking to upgrade my nozzles to Monark nozzles (C Sean Watts is selling them) as they offer a good price with good quality. I would like Bosios but they cost too much for me right now.
Cheap Chinese nozzles would are like cheap tools they can help you for a certain peroid of time but I would not expect them to have the same performance in the long run as higher quality products.
Lastly the point that a lot of people made is true; they have the ability to make high quality products but our business people are not ordering them and offering them for sale to us.

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I'd like to thank all of you for your input. This thread delivered all of the answers I was seeking, and even raised a few points I hadn't expected.

As for the general direction of the thread...

It's simply amazing how many people believe the only thing coming from China is crap. It's equally amazing to me that few people really understand that the reason it's seen that way is because that's usually all the typical American consumer is willing to pay for. Like Diesel911 mentioned, Americans tend to want it cheap, fast, and plentiful. Apparently, they also want the best product for the least amount of money, too.

Typical American consumers just like to gripe, don't they?
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The funny fact is that the same made in India BOSCH pumps and injectors are used in the huge number of commercial and private diesel vehicles in India. Outside the cities, the condition of diesel is usually atrocious, adulterated diesel fuel is commonplace, so is dirty water and algae contaminated fuel and yet, day after day, these diesel vehicles manage to survive and run. The only reason I would guess about the QC issues on the BOSCH nozzles from India could be that they were made by 3rd party instead of BOSCH for some time. Only recently did BOSCH India which is a 40 year old company there expand to accommodate the heavy load. Diesel is heavily subsidized in India so apart from commercial, significant portion of automobiles sold in India are diesel, that would include various Skoda, SUVs, Mercedes C-220 and E class etc. Force motors in India makes the C class engine for Mercedes as well as the tranny. They have also started manufacturing MAN trucks. Force's relationship with MB goes back from 60s, same goes for Tata who was the first non German manufacturer of MB engines in Asia. Considering all that, do you really think the Germans or MB would wish to jeopardize their reputation by relegating manufacture of all this to an inferior party?

My theory: The very best parts no matter where they are made are going into the new MB vehicles that the company will have to warrent. The manufacturing of parts for the older vehicles like mine not under warrenty are being sent to other countries and the companies are doing that are obviously not worried about the quality of parts for old used vehicles. If all I can get for my old vehicle are poorly made replacment parts I might be induced to give up on the old one and buy a NEW one.

You cannot compare how vehicles and engines are used in poorer countries to here. As an example when I was in the Philippines every car that I road in with a manual transmission had badly slipping and noisy clutches. As long as that car can move they will not make any effort due to little money available to repair it (not talking about the rich people). When it finally cannot move the will throw the flywheel and clutch parts and replace them with whatever used parts they can get a hold of that will work enough to get the car moveing again. So as you were saying in India there are alot of diesels running in adverse conditions with Indian made parts but I believe that they are operating a lot of equipment that is badly thrashed and not giving any thing close to the preformance the we want here.
If you buy a set of rebuilt Bosch injectors and 6 months later you are having a problem so you pull them out and have them tested;and let us say the spray pattern is NG or the nozzle is peeing out fuel. You can only face the facts if that nozzle turns out to be from India or China. In many other country the same injectors would stay in the engine until it got so bad it absolutely had to be changed; that dose not mean the parts were of high quality.
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My experience is that India can hand has made some very good products. I think its part due to the British. I did some machining on some lathes made in India. They were some of the smoothest lathes I've worked on. Their only problem was the vibrated on longer parts. It could have been the drive belts weren't setup correctly. Also, someone in one of the machine shops I worked at bought some inside micrometers made in india. They were less than half for other makes. They seemed to be OK.
On Chinese stuff, they quality seems spotty. At lest on consumer products, but I've herd it also on stamping dies and stuff. Two people in the machine shop ordered a 0-4 set of OD mics. One set was OK, the other felt like it had sand in it. I really worry more about the quality of the steel used.
One place that might offer quality and low cost if Eastern Europe. Poland, Romania, Chec republic etc. The firearms from there are very well made. I do have an indicator mic made in Poland. It isn't as nice as a Starret or Mytotoyo, but very close. The cost was about %50 more that a Chinese one, but a 1/4 of Mitotoyo.
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Parts producers have pretty much globalized much of what is americanized is actually from other places imported and assembled from parts made in other country's so i doubt if brand x is better than z if u buy a cheap ass american part it's prob no worse than one in a sweat shop in hunaxlzalina china

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