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Old 11-29-2006, 02:19 PM
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617 Valve adj. Have you got better ideas?

I am doing my fourth valve adjustment on the 300TD, since buying in 2 years ago.. two questions:

Is there any way to get the valve cover off with out peeling the valve cover gasket off at the same time??

how do you turn the engine over? I am using a 1 1/16 socket on a 3 inch extention, but I end up having to be on the ground under the radiator to get my hand in there, and this car does not even have a fan shroud... What do you do that works better than my present plan?

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Old 11-29-2006, 02:21 PM
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Well, for starters, instead of that rachet, try a longer 22mm open end wrench. Use a pipe if you have to.
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Old 11-29-2006, 02:33 PM
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I would guess no on the gasket. I turned the engine over by turning the power steering pump. People will tell you this will cause problems if you ever need to get the pulley off because the pump has a tapered shaft on it and this will over tighten it. I don't feel I tightened it all that much more though and it sure made turning the engine over easy.
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Old 11-29-2006, 03:00 PM
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1. use a remote starter on the distribution block on the right fender to jump power to the starter to bump it between valves

or

2. Use a 22mm wrench on the nut on the power steering pulley nut if your belts are good that is...
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I would guess no on the gasket. I turned the engine over by turning the power steering pump. People will tell you this will cause problems if you ever need to get the pulley off because the pump has a tapered shaft on it and this will over tighten it. I don't feel I tightened it all that much more though and it sure made turning the engine over easy.
I usually replace the gasket @ valve adjustments. They are cheap. You could try putting high temp grease or anti-seize paste around the contact points on the gasket. Someone else please chime in if this isn't a good idea. When you do your valves, are they very far from spec? Twice a year seems like overkill to me.
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It was overkill, as they were all ok.. But it had been 15,000, and winter is gonna hit here sometime.. then I need all the systems up to snuff..

I like the idea of the PS belt.. will do that next time....

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I heard someone express concern about possibly over tightening the PS pump pulley bolt by using it to turn over the engine, as well as hearing concern about possibly breaking the PS tension adjustment bolt.

Those being mentioned though, I ended up using the PS pump bolt to do my valve adjustment.
The only thing I'm really concerned about is that I may have tightned the bolt further than smart, but that will be a problem next time I have to pull the pulley, so I'm not worrying much about it at this point in time.
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Old 11-29-2006, 09:22 PM
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W123. Adjusting Valves the easy way. Advise from a Mercedes master to an apprentice

I use the power steering pump bolt to turn the engine. slow and steady pressure to turn it not a large amount of force all at once.

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The gasket can be the biggest problem, I use a new one, need it or not. I was considering attaching it to the cover with goop of some kind. I also use a remote, or "bump" starter affair, available at most local auto part stores. Makes things eaiser. When changing "V" belts, the starter comes in handy as well, eye hand coordination is helpful.
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Old 11-29-2006, 11:20 PM
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I have a remote starter switch, it works great.
in years past, I have installed all my gaskets by gluing them to the valve cover and putting a very thin layer of wheel bearing grease on the motor side of the gasket. it has worked for me. then again, I have never changed the valve cover gasket on a MB diesel yet... so I guess it's worth a try, but like has been said, the gasket is pretty cheap. I never really did it to try and preserve the gasket, it just makes it easier to clean the gasket off the VC(or the Water pump, etc...)
, rather than the head.
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Old 11-30-2006, 01:20 AM
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I use the fan to turn mine over. Both have solid mounted 240D fans.
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Remote starter is maybe $15...

A VC gasket should be no more than $6.
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Old 11-30-2006, 01:30 AM
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27mm deep socket and a 1/2" drive ratchet on the crank bolt.
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27mm deep socket and a 1/2" drive ratchet on the crank bolt.
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Mine is a stick and all I do is jack up a rear wheel and turn it by hand with the car in fourth gear.

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