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Old 06-19-2011, 03:26 AM
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W124 250 TD, won't rev, running out of ideas.

'88 W124 250TD RHD NA.

Started to become really gutless - took forever to get up to any speed.

Suspected fuel starvation, so checked tank gauze - clean.

Changed air and fuel filters.

Removed lift pump and replaced O-rings.

Fuel runs fine from tank (I have a face-full to prove it!)

It starts fine, and idles fine. Press the pedal and it won't climb above 1200 rpm. Eventually it'll rise slowly to 4k. Try driving it and it will just about move off. Keep the revs up when changing gear and 25mph is possible, but that's max.

Having eliminated all other fuel-related points I suspect the injector pump, but I'm at the limit of my mechanical experience.

Side issues are that it's due an MoT (car safety check in the UK) in six weeks, which it will fail probably on rust on sills, perhaps more. If it's just welding then I'd look at having that done, but throwing money on having the IP rebuilt right now is not an option, as I could be faced with scrapping it in a few weeks if the welding bill is too high.

Right now it's on its way to car heaven, unless anyone's been here before and can point me to a DIY solution.

Thanks in advance.



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Old 06-19-2011, 04:36 AM
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Does it help to drive without the fuel filler cap?

Does it have anything of a catalyst or something that can clog the exhaust system?

Does it help to restrict the return line to the fuel tank?

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Old 06-19-2011, 04:51 AM
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I have its brother (see sig below)
It probably has a cat converter in the exhaust 1/2 way back. It maybe blocked. There is a flange on the exhaust just before it, try unbolting it & see if the problem is still there, it will be noisy while disconnected.
It also may have a problem with the fuel pressure regulator (banjo bolt)
Did this just suddenly happen or did it develop slowly over time?
Its unlikely it need a IP rebuild, at worst just a very minor repair.
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Old 06-19-2011, 04:53 AM
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Fuel Pressure Relief valve

LOOOOOOOOONG Post:

Fuel pressure relief valve adjustment

Basically it's a "Banjo Bolt" (with a Spring pressurizing a Ball Bearing) that
regulates the Fuel Pressure (Provided by the "Lift Pump" on the side of the
Injection Pump) inside the Injection Pump.

If the Spring is WEAK it allows fuel to Bleed Off into the return system,
starving the I.P. of fuel.

So Sorry about the MOT.Yeah,If the bottom outer rails of the Chassis are
"Rotten" it'll COST to make it Good.

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anybody...It's Effing Crazy,we used to have Required Automobile Inspections.
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Old 06-19-2011, 05:09 AM
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sills shouldn't cost much more than £40-50. Might be cheaper to 'delete' them rather than repair the jack point - I personally will never use the standard Merc jack again....
Do fill the cavity with wax after the repair too!

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Old 06-19-2011, 06:19 AM
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Quote:
Basically it's a "Banjo Bolt" (with a Spring pressurizing a Ball Bearing) that
regulates the Fuel Pressure (Provided by the "Lift Pump" on the side of the
Injection Pump) inside the Injection Pump.

If the Spring is WEAK it allows fuel to Bleed Off into the return system,
starving the I.P. of fuel.
OK, that sounds like one worth checking. Here's my IP:



On the reverse (engine side) of the IP there is a 17mm banjo - the pipe leads up to the return line, but there's no spring inside it? All help much appreciated.
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Old 06-19-2011, 07:12 AM
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Seems this is on the reverse of the IP, on the block side.

I have removed it, but how to access the spring?


Last edited by Simon21; 06-19-2011 at 07:24 AM.
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Old 06-19-2011, 08:09 AM
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I have its brother (see sig below)
It probably has a cat converter in the exhaust 1/2 way back. It maybe blocked. There is a flange on the exhaust just before it, try unbolting it & see if the problem is still there, it will be noisy while disconnected.
It also may have a problem with the fuel pressure regulator (banjo bolt)
Did this just suddenly happen or did it develop slowly over time?
Its unlikely it need a IP rebuild, at worst just a very minor repair.
The banjo bolt is not normally repairable.

Can you fill us in with some more details please.
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Old 06-19-2011, 08:24 AM
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This is a UK model 1988, and I'm sure there's no emissions control kit.

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Did this just suddenly happen or did it develop slowly over time?
Has got much worse over the last two weeks. I've run it on waste veg oil when possible, but I don't think that is the issue. Same results on 100% dino diesel.
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Old 06-19-2011, 12:19 PM
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you'll get better help on this forum. wvo unless REALLY treated well, can damage the IP and prevent power/compression. changing back to diesel does not help the issue.
try pinching off the fuel return line like Layback40 suggested, and also try driving with the fuel cap off. and tell us if anything changes.
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Old 06-19-2011, 09:24 PM
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This is a UK model 1988, and I'm sure there's no emissions control kit.



Has got much worse over the last two weeks. I've run it on waste veg oil when possible, but I don't think that is the issue. Same results on 100% dino diesel.
Mine is a 87 UK model, private import to Australia. It has a cat converter.
You may have bad/blocked injectors from the WVO use.
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http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=24659&page=2

I will put this up just in case he forgets to pop back and post the cure
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another benz ruined with WVO.....
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Old 08-04-2011, 04:10 PM
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My suburban experienced a similar problem, turns out the excess fuel return check valve was stuck closed. not sure of the 603 has a check valve on the excess fuel, but maybe something similar with the fuel bypass.
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Old 08-05-2011, 02:55 PM
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Excerpt from Simons post on the Uk vegetableoildiesel forum.

Then it dawned on me - the throttle cable was slipping through the non-standard clip that was in use. Took out the clip, replaced it with a clothes peg, and hey presto, lots of fuel reaches the engine. Just took it for a spin and was up to the limit at a rate of knots


This was the cause of all the grief lol, the throttle cable

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