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Old 11-03-2008, 02:46 AM
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Don't batteries give off hydrogen while charging? Turn up the voltage regulator and plumb the hydrogen from the batteries into the intake manifold. Might kill the batteries early but you're probably killing them early anyway

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Old 11-03-2008, 05:05 AM
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"adambomb" good name.

Some of our brethren are purists and refused to countenance any deviation from "factory." For the most part, they are helpful, resourceful and very knowledgeable. However, WVO is a very sore subject and Lovecraft has a very deserved bad reputation amongst most dieselers.

Most of the advice so far is good. Take off all the nonsense you have put on and run a tank or two of biodiesel and see if you can clean your injectors. The Diesel Purge (another sore subject) is not any more effective (my opinion) than an combination of injector cleaner and biodiesel fuel in a closed loop. You could try that procedure until the return runs nearly clear. There are pictorial essays on the site. Your ALDA is probably getting plugged. Again, check the site for remedy.

If the beloved 300sd is undamaged, then I would look into a two tank system. I know this sounds diesel-treasonous or at least counter intuitive, but I WVO my belcher for political and environmental reasons and to discourage you would be dishonest. I have stated my WVO position before and out of respect to our purists I will decline advancing the arguments here. Nevertheless, if you wish to discuss another conversion you can contact the site email.

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Old 11-03-2008, 07:33 AM
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First off, LoveCraft is not a "system", it is a filter that
someone paid way too much to have installed.

And back to the hydrogen, a bigger alt. will only
mean more HP to spin it and produce elect....
That means less mpg, not more.

The improved mpg you are seeing now may be
a combination of your attention to driving habits
and the fact the alt. is too small and you are robbing
the power from the batt.
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:15 AM
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You might want to check out the thread in this site for biodieselers and WVO folks. Some good info without the flaming that you get from this portion. Great info in both, just a different, more environmentally friendly attitude in the sub group.
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Old 11-04-2008, 05:35 PM
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The improvement if fuel economy is from driving technique and the hydrogen changing the flame front to compensate for an engine tuning problem. Correcting that problem will will eliminate the need for hydrogen AND improve your fuel economy. With a properly running engine, it is impossable for an alternator driven hydrogen system to improve fuel economy without violating several laws of physics.

Assuming that you are de-watering your fuel well enough, the next thing to do is remove the Lovecrap system and replace it with a good two tank conversion before you kill your engine. If you are not de-watering your VO properly, remove the Lovecrap system and go back to diesel fuel.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:20 PM
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thanks again guys. i understand what you are saying.
as i said before i know the lovecraft "system" isn't that good but it's worked for at least 2 years and our friend has one on his and his car runs good too.

i am disapointed that hydrogen assist HHO doen't work and there's nothing we can do like better batteries or a stronger alternator.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:25 PM
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FWIW both our 5 cyl 300tds ave 20mpg and we drive almost only in town. is this still bad mileage.

when you say you get 24-25mpg is that hi-way? how fast do you drive??

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Old 11-07-2008, 02:36 PM
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I drive like I just stole my car (in the city) and I consistently get 21-22 mpg. HHO is a scam. Does LC preheat the oil?
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Old 11-07-2008, 05:11 PM
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Does LC preheat the oil?
no LC doesn't preheat the oil. when you first start up in the morning the veggie is cold and i have to give it a little assistance with the gas pedal and raise the idle for 30 secs or the car will shut off (oil is to thick). but after that it runs ok and than a few mins later runs like diesel.
i live in So Cal so it doesn't get that cold but in the winter i sometimes blend my tank with a gallon or two of bio or diesel to help with the starts.
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Old 11-07-2008, 05:50 PM
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If there is no preheating then you are coking your injectors at the very least. Ruining your lift pump and your IP are also in the works.

How much money are you really saving if you have to put in new injectors and a new IP?
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Old 11-07-2008, 06:15 PM
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What is even included in this lovecraft contraption?
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Old 11-07-2008, 06:18 PM
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A funnel and membership in the forum.

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Old 11-07-2008, 08:00 PM
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I drive like I just stole my car (in the city) and I consistently get 21-22 mpg. HHO is a scam. Does LC preheat the oil?
I was getting 26.3mpg out of my wagon which was driven conservatively.

One of the guys who doesn't post much anymore put a thermometer just after the heat exchanger on the LC system and it hit 110F...that that was all it would do, mind you that the ambient temp was 85!

Just by the fact that adam was getting 19-20 and now 23-24 means he changed his driving habits. The HHO is a total scam. Take a quick chemistry course and you'll realize you're wasted your money.

It's like driving around with your headlights off to save fuel.
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Old 11-07-2008, 09:40 PM
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A funnel and membership in the forum.

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Not even that, anyone can be a forum member.

They get an electric pump (to pump the cold oil the "conversion" does not heat) and a "maintenance free" water strainer with a mesh sock filter ziptied over it in place of the stock fuel filter.
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Old 11-08-2008, 07:23 AM
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I am surprised this thread hasn't surfaced yet?

Feel like slamming Lovecraft yet again?

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