Owner of 200 cars needs to sell 20 a month or lose them all.

[Jorn]

Looks more like a huge parts bin but still some nice ones, even spotted a W126 500SE.

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[t walgamuth]

I'd say he needs to have an auction. A fellow here collected stuff, filling a house and yard completely. After a year or three of legal wrangling the city hauled it all away to the junkyard and charged him for the work. They ended up taking his property for the cost. That is the future for Ron I expect if he does not have an auction.

Wonder if he has a rust free 87 Montero?

[75Sv1]

When did he have those cars on that property and when did the ordinance take effect? Expo Facto laws are against the Bill of Rights. When did the McMansions go up? Tell them to shut up or move. We had some built out by the airport. Then they complained about noise issues. They also built in flood zones. Peoples houses got a bit wet. Have a funny story on that.

[barry12345]

Makes you wonder what is really there. I visited a massive collection of used cars parked on limestone in northern Maine. The local town was even called Limestone years ago. The type of earth eliminated any floor rust advancing.

Apparently the gentleman would pick up service mens cars left at the local air force base when they left them behind. Went for the final sale as well before the bulk where crushed. Cars went from 75.00 to about three hundred for the many ragtops.

Purchased a 1950 Buick and gave it to a friend. I am guessing he had several thousand cars but not many really old. Majority where cars in the fifties.

I try to absorb and retain any useful or abstact information when I run across it. For people storing cars outdoor above the temperate areas. Spreading some bags of lime on the ground before parking the car in the spot just might be beneficial.

Those cars in that collection showed no signs of any more rust than perhaps when they had arrived in the floors. In fact most floor pans, lower fenders and rocker panels where still really very solid. Never saw this before with cars sitting for over twenty years or more in our northern climate outdoors.

[t walgamuth]

I'd bet a lot of floors are gone. We're just looking at the most recent arrivals perhaps. That said I am tempted to go out there with a trailer and have a look see.

[Jorn]

If I was close I would join you.

[HuskyMan]

As he said, the cars are hurting no one. If anything, they are helping those of us driving older cars obtain necessary parts. Notice he speaks of the stress the township's order is causing him. In the majority of cases, most stress is caused by the GOVERNMENT. Stress is a killer which means the township's order is slowly killing automobile connoisseur Ron.

Under the old common law system, there had to be an actual injured party. Nowadays, the so-called "state" steps up and claims to be the injured party. They say you have violated Code Section 666 and enforces said code violations by use of threats, duress and coercion.

W.A.R. (WE ARE RIGHT)

Sounds like Cosa Nostra to me......

[HuskyMan]

Another move I've seen made on the proverbial chess board is this. Local car dealership owners figure out people driving 10 year old plus cars is hurting new car sales.

The new car dealers move the township to get rid of anyone trying to assist those of us driving older cars. If you dry up the parts supply, you then have to trade in or sell that older benz and buy a new car or truck. This was the idea behind Obama's "Cash for Clunkers" program.

Trade in your paid for older car or truck for a car or truck financed by the bank. Now you are in debt for the next five years. Great deal for the car dealer, not so good a deal for you.

[JB3]

These type of care hoarders operate on the macro scale of ruining perfectly decent rare cars in job lots.

[barry12345]

This is one of those places that it is almost impossible to know if it is worth going or not from a distance.

I had the misfortune of finding out that I missed a large auction sale of older cars not far from me years ago. The nephew was personally selling off the cars. The last and only time I went. They were dispersed in seven large barns.

The problem was he had serious issues with the prices that time.Many were good but just not worth half of what he wanted out of them. Ninety percent of the collection was composed of Hudson cars.

Around the mid thirties there were some spectacular art deco Hudson designs and he had some. Actually a quality car with a low current following. Nickle component in the engine blocks and cork clutches running in oil.

Like Studebaker their every day run of vehicles styling was not all that popular. It probably was a substantial contributor to their eventual demise. They entered a period of constant declining market share when the overall market was expanding. Car companies have suffered from executive managements that thought only short term all too often.

[t walgamuth]

Indeed.

Actually Studebaker was making a profit but got bought out and the new owners decided to stop production and screw all the employees out of their retirement.

[Mxfrank]

Wha? Who bought them out? I'm pretty sure Studebaker's last merger was with Packard in 1954.

[barry12345]

Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Indeed.

Actually Studebaker was making a profit but got bought out and the new owners decided to stop production and screw all the employees out of their retirement.

No insult was intended. There was a rash of failures of pretty much all the independants. Perhaps only avoidable with really exceptional good upper management. The writing on the wall was there for all the remaining independants. The big threes volumes where accelerating enough to substantially reduce production costs.

I think most Studebaker dealers where both loyal and the majority had long exposure with the company. There were a lot of other independants that died or just stopped production as well.

Advertising seems to still sell cars. I wonder if their smaller advertising budgets where also a major contributor. You run a good advertising program even today and it will move cars that are really poor efforts in comparison to others. One or two of them still build some junk models year after year without improving their really known problems.

Iaccoca temporaily saved Chrysler for example with a combination of some new products. Plus his personal seemingly constant very expensive advertising appeal. Just to buy the products was new to the car business. In my opinion it probably worked. They were the first bailout of the big three if I remember. Paid the money back even faster than was agreed to.

Unfortunatly long term salvation of the company by really upping total quality was not enacted. For example some had good luck with the K car but I did not. The poor quality of far too many domestic products in the 1980s was a great aid in establishing the massive acceptance of the Japanese labels.

[barry12345]

Originally Posted by Mxfrank

Wha? Who bought them out? I'm pretty sure Studebaker's last merger was with Packard in 1954.

I believe Tom's father or grandfather worked there. So he is pretty conversant with what occurred. There is even a chance that someone in his family did something to or for his Studebaker truck at the factory during production.

New it probably sold for under a thousand dollars. Perhaps well under. Cost slightly more to bring it back on the road I suspect . Who purchased it new might still exist in a record even somewhere today. Or it is just lost to posterity.

I often wondered if the masses of Studebaker trucks built for both the Russian and American armies where all produced at Studebaker facilities. There were a lot of them. As an example a lot of willy's jeeps where produced by Ford I believe. Jeeps are still with us as a label under the Chrysler banner. Willy's Overland is long gone of course.

Dad owned three of their products I remember. A coupe, a four door sedan, and a station wagon with painted side panels.

[t walgamuth]

Hi all. Thanks for apologizing Barry but no offense was taken on my part.

My Dad, Grand dad and Uncle all worked at Stude's and other relatives worked in factories producing parts for them as well. My grandfather worked in the upholstery department. I like to believe he made the seat in my car but am not actually sure if he was in that job in 1939.

I am fuzzy on the details and could not find supporting evidence that was readable in the time I had. Perhaps Studie was not bought out but perhaps the owners just decided to stop production because they wanted their money to do other things, but a lot of folks did lose their pensions.

There is a movie about it I saw on TV called Studebaker, less than they promised, I believe....a book too of the same name I believe.