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Old 05-27-2012, 12:58 AM
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16¢??? Iam getting the shaft, they charge me 17¢ for each transaction .
You dang right we are irritated about the admission fee. that is just another tax to the Government slush fund.
the environmental fee is just another tax.

Thursday I pulled a trans and related parts from a 79 240D, total was $185.16. $26.56 was the total tax on that purchase. times that by how ever many purchases were made at the various PNP`s here in calif, that is a lot of tax $ we give the beauracrats. Calif is 16 Billion $ in debt. the more they take, the deeper in debt the State becomes.

It may be only 16¢, but it adds up.

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Old 05-27-2012, 01:28 AM
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One more thing, I'm sure that all of the salt/rust belt members on this forum would be more than happy to pay a few bucks in environmental and admission fees to get their hands on some of the W123 and W126 chassis that we West coasters have been fortunate enough to pick apart.
Uh, thanks for that, I wasn't exactly sure how to break in here and gently point that out.

Around here the average PnP (if you can find one, there aren't many) has domestic cars up to roughly 15 years old and rarely high-end stuff of any nationality (well if you don't count literally a carcass dumped in the yard for the last remaining bits that are so rusted in place the original stripper gave up on them).
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Old 05-27-2012, 02:00 AM
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Why do they charge sales tax on the core charge, admission tax and environmental fee? It might be worth a letter to the Board of Equalization.

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There are a lot of different definitions as to just what constitutes the customer's total purchase price. The state wants it as high as possible, the consumer wants it low. The retailer is stuck in the middle, responsible for collecting the tax and turning in the money. He'll generally do whatever he can to make life easy for himself. Generally that means charging whatever the state wants, or what his lawyers and accountants advise him to do.

A letter to your state senator or assemblyman probably would be better than one to the Board of Equalization but given California's financial position these days I doubt anything will help. Still, it's certain that doing nothing won't help either.

One interesting question for the folks at Pick and Pull: if tax is charged on the core charge, is it also refunded when the core charge is refunded? It should be, just like when you return a purchase to a store you get the sales tax back too.

OTOH, I've gotten receipts from Pick and Pull that don't add up. I don't know if their computer is broken or if someone has hacked the system to overcharge the customer. I wouldn't bet either way.

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Old 05-27-2012, 04:00 AM
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One interesting question for the folks at Pick and Pull: if tax is charged on the core charge, is it also refunded when the core charge is refunded? It should be, just like when you return a purchase to a store you get the sales tax back too.


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Yes, they do return the tax that was collected on the core charge.
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:58 AM
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A tax on the admission fee is a strange one, I agree. California is desperate for tax revenue, that's for sure, they're taxing everything they can.

Here's an example for the person who was asking (sorry for the lack of formatting):

Item Price
Vacuum pump $14.99
Core charge $2.99
Coolant overflow $3.49
Outside temperature display $3.99
Subtotal $25.46
Admission tax $0.16
Environmental fee $1.97
Sales tax $2.20
Total $29.79
Admission $2.00
Grand total $31.79
Thanks for posting details,the formatting is fine. Tax on the admission fee probably falls under " amusement " tax laws. Do car shows break this tax out or roll it in? It is a no win situation, if the tax is rolled into the admission fee, some will complain it is a hidden fee, if it is itemized others will complain that they are paying a fee.

The enviro fee is pretty high relative to parts pricing. Is this a fixed fee or a %? I wonder if auto parts stores / salvage yards fall under BAR control? It might be worth a look at the laws. ( Bureau of Auto Repair, a CA agency )

The core charge is just high enough that the yard makes $ but not high enough to kill the sale ( or result in a core return. )

People at the counter usually can't make policy decisions, you need to talk to a manager or owner. Bring a stack of past receipts showing the volume of purchases and ask that the core charge be waived / reduced to actual scrap metal value. There may be a volume discount / gold status that isn't published.

My semi local PnP type yard is in hill billy country, there is a flat $ 1 entry fee. This is mostly to reduce the number of wanderers. They charge a core only on engine / transmission sized items.

Another yard is starting to charge a core on everything, I'm fully prepared to negotiate the core charge. If they don't budge, I will walk as losing them as a yard is no big deal.

There is a scrap metal yard that I deal with that has no entry fee, sells me stuff by the pound. But, I end up working off my tab fixing their equipment.
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Old 05-27-2012, 01:41 PM
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Here, in the Baltimore, MD area, we have a chain of " Crazy Ray's" recyclers. The thing I like best about them is that they have a published price list, so you know what you should be paying, and its not up to the whim of some cashier AFTER you've already invested the labor to pull it. Also, a seat is a seat regardless of whether its a Toyota or a Mercedes seat. Same for all other parts--no bump in price because a Mercedes owner can afford to pay a higher price.
A couple of other yards in the area also use the Crazy Ray's price list.

Here is the list for your perusal:
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Old 05-27-2012, 01:43 PM
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There are a lot of different definitions as to just what constitutes the customer's total purchase price. The state wants it as high as possible, the consumer wants it low. The retailer is stuck in the middle, responsible for collecting the tax and turning in the money. He'll generally do whatever he can to make life easy for himself. Generally that means charging whatever the state wants, or what his lawyers and accountants advise him to do.
I wonder if they'd be so brazen as to collect profit as sales tax that isn't paid to the state. That would be the point of my letter.

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Old 05-27-2012, 02:09 PM
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picknpull.com yards have an extensive price list on display in English and Spanish. It's not exhaustive, though. The cashier called the manager to figure out how to ring horsehair pads. They went as non-returnable seat covers. They also have a less-than-useful-for-MBs vehicle inventory list online. 1987 MB 300-series = 124? 126? Sedan? Wagon? Gas? Diesel? The model identifying digits of the VIN would be nice (e.g., EA30, EB33, CA25). Not getting charged ludicrous fees would also be nice but provide value if you're going to charge me anyway.

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The fee goes toward managing the proper disposal of the gasoline, diesel, oil, and other fluids and materials that are removed from the cars before they are put out for us to pick apart. The yards have to pay a fee to the state but they are allowed to pass it, or part of it, on to the customer. The fee pays for the people who enforce the rules; unscrupulous yards would otherwise be tempted to dump stuff anywhere. Even with all of the fees it's still better than buying new parts and a lot more fun.

A tax on the admission fee is a strange one, I agree. California is desperate for tax revenue, that's for sure, they're taxing everything they can.

Here's an example for the person who was asking (sorry for the lack of formatting):

Item Price
Vacuum pump $14.99
Core charge $2.99
Coolant overflow $3.49
Outside temperature display $3.99
Subtotal $25.46
Admission tax $0.16
Environmental fee $1.97
Sales tax $2.20
Total $29.79
Admission $2.00
Grand total $31.79

These prices are all from the 50% sale -- regular prices are twice these numbers. The vacuum pump was a nearly-new Pierburg, over $300 from FastLane, $418 from the dealer. That's a bargain no matter what the extra charges are. If I had an old vacuum pump I could get the core charge back but it would cost $2.99 in fuel just to drive there and back, not worth the bother.

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If you like getting fuc d and its all good--and you support any buisness just passing on the costs of doing buisness to the target -"customer" why not go to the other pick-n-pull thread that charly started and you can have a joy fest in that one.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:56 PM
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. . .and you support any buisness just passing on the costs of doing buisness to the target -"customer" why not go to the other pick-n-pull thread that charly started and you can have a joy fest in that one.
A " Business " that does not pass the cost of doing business along to the customer isn't a business, it's a hobby.

So, are you willing to start your own salvage yard and not charge customers the cost of doing business? ( I can guess the answer. )
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:14 PM
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Fair enough but in the extreme there's basic airfare, fuel surcharge, luggage charge, charge to sit with your family, taxes, etc. Just tell me what it'll cost me before I get to the register, rather than the seemingly irrelevant quantity known as 'price.'

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Went to a local yard and located a fender on a W123 I could use. Asked the guy what he wanted and he said $130.00. I figured that was kinda high. The guy would not budge on price so, I said, I'll just take the hinges. This was a customer doesn't pull yard mind you... Their guy pulling the hinges just trashed the fender all to heck.

Too bad. Went back later and they'd crushed the whole car. What a waste.
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They charge 20% VAT here.....

And you guys are complaining about 0.16$ added to a purchase?....

Come ON!
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$40 for 2 300sd cloth frt seats ,Im happy but still cant find a 123 chassis ,Im starting to wonder if their all gone .Oh well ,the wait will be worth it .
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They charge 20% VAT here.....

And you guys are complaining about 0.16$ added to a purchase?....

Come ON!
I'm complaining that what you'll pay for a purchase is unpredictable until you pay.

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