I'm looking at picking up an '88 300SEL here for another family member but was curious to what current owners, past ones, or even people that have driven the vehicle on/off thought of it... I'm aware of the valve guide problems they have but just general input on it.



Also, I have some questions regarding them:

Are these also 2nd gear start cars like the 300E?

Any idea on their appx weight? Maybe 3800lbs?

What about average fuel economy? I figure about 15 city and maybe 20 freeway?

Rear axle gearing? I looked and it came back as a 3.46:1?

0-60mph times? I know it's no rocket but it can't be slower than my SD can it?



Thanks for the input

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'85 300SD 245k
'87 300SDL 251k
'90 300SEL 326k

Six others from BMW, GM, and Ford.

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had one for a while that he bought with a blown engine and put a new used engine in it. i think it was a 91.

i drove it once. it was astoundingly quick for a large heavy car with a 3 liter motor.

i believe it started in first. dont really know about economy. i assume it is a little not a lot better than a 380 or 500. though it has a smaller motor it is geared lower. i would expect to be able to get in the low 20s on the highway and mid teens around town.

tom w

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Last tank of fuel gave 19 mpg with all short-trip driving. I've seen over 23 mpg with a full load of people/luggage on the highway.

It weighs around 3600-3700 pounds, IIRC.
Second-gear start, but can be overcome with the shifter or throttle.
Not a rocket off the line, but will do fine once it's rolling. I remember someone posting here that he'd seen around 130 mph with his.

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1989 300 SEL that mostly works, but needs TLC

Any clue as to those speeds it was cruising to get 22-23mpg freeway?

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I'm not a doctor, but I'll have a look.

'85 300SD 245k
'87 300SDL 251k
'90 300SEL 326k

Six others from BMW, GM, and Ford.

Liberty will not descend to a people; a people must raise themselves to liberty.[/IMG]

They do indeed start out in 2nd geear, 1st would be better. AMHIK.

3800 lbs sounds about right.

I get 22 mpg hwy.

Can't say about rear axle gearing.

0-60, slow, 2nd gear start slows them down alot. More HO than an SD, more HP than a 380SE(L).

Fine car, stout engine, 3000 rpm at 60 mph, mine uses a quart every 1000 miles which is considered 'normal' by the factory. I need new valve seals. That's next.

Don't forget about the front end rebuild.

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Regards

Warren

Currently 1965 220Sb, 2002 FORD Crown Vic Police Interceptor

Had 1965 220SEb, 1967 230S, 280SE 4.5, 300SE (W126), 420SEL

ENTER > = (HP RPN)

Not part of the in-crowd since 1952.

I found out thanks to a member here they have a 3.46:1 ratio out back.

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I'm not a doctor, but I'll have a look.

'85 300SD 245k
'87 300SDL 251k
'90 300SEL 326k

Six others from BMW, GM, and Ford.

Liberty will not descend to a people; a people must raise themselves to liberty.[/IMG]

Speed limit + 5-10 mph.

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1989 300 SEL that mostly works, but needs TLC

holy cow, 3000RPM @ 60MPH...the 300SE I have is a parts car, so I've never had the pleasure of taking it on the highway, but good grief, that's short gearing.

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2 x 2013 Honda Civics

Personaly I wouldn't buy one. I don't think the M103 is well suited to drag the W126 around or in this case geared that well.

If you are shopping for a gas W126 a 420SEL has a lot more power, better gearing and will probably match if not beat the 300SEL's mileage.

Plus they are common and dirt cheap to pick up. It is amazing how much 420SEL you can get for $5k-$7k.

Plus if you buy a late one you get a better sound system, interior, and traction control.

To bad the M104 never found its way into the W126, that would be a good combo.

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1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

my 420SEL is a tremendous car...it's not fast off the line, but 50-70 acceleration is astounding...it seems to just keep accelerating at an ever-increasing rate, until I let off the pedal. My Cadillac is the opposite, super off the line, but so-so in 50-70 acceleration.

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2002 Ford ZX2
2 x 2013 Honda Civics

On the mileage front, my 420 will produce about 19MPG in the mix of city and highway driving I do. I've never had it on a long highway run to see what it will do there, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does 22-23.

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2002 Ford ZX2
2 x 2013 Honda Civics

Well... 420s are a dime a dozen around here. Heck a used lot has one with only 170K on the ticker and they want $1700 cash. 171K, even has power recline. They're nearly free from the local auctions.

Maybe I'll just part out this 300SEL then as my first intentions were.

Can the 420 get similar economy as the 300SEL? How reliable is the bottom end on that motor with let's say 200K?

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I'm not a doctor, but I'll have a look.

'85 300SD 245k
'87 300SDL 251k
'90 300SEL 326k

Six others from BMW, GM, and Ford.

Liberty will not descend to a people; a people must raise themselves to liberty.[/IMG]

shoot, I paid $1500 for mine, 170K, no huge problems, just some deferred maintenance...seems to run like a scalded dog.

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2002 Ford ZX2
2 x 2013 Honda Civics

I have a friend who has a 90. she has about 225k on it...seems to be mostly trouble free for her... i think she did somethign to the differential recently about 1k... other than that seems trouble free.

a bit too big for me.

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1989 300ce 129k
( facelifted front,updated tail lights, lowered suspension,bilstein sports, lorinser front spoiler, MOMO steering wheel, remus exhaust,stainless steel brake lines). (Gone)

1997 s320 154k (what a ride). Sold with 179k miles. Replaced with Hyundai Equus

1994 e320 Cabriolet 108k



1972 280se 4.5 153k Owned for 12 yrs, sorry I sold it


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What about timing chain intervals? Fuel unit?

Just curious what I could be getting myself into before giving the vehicle as a gift...

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I'm not a doctor, but I'll have a look.

'85 300SD 245k
'87 300SDL 251k
'90 300SEL 326k

Six others from BMW, GM, and Ford.

Liberty will not descend to a people; a people must raise themselves to liberty.[/IMG]