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400Eric · #**361** 02-25-2015, 02:11 AM

Yes, you are correct that we shouldn't be making fun of someone who has a condition.

Jim B. · #**362** 02-25-2015, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

Thanks for the info!

So let me get this straight. There's a cheap 210mm based factory posi just waiting for me somewhere in a junkyard? I wonder if any board members have any they'd be willing to sell for a reasonable price. GSXR just might see me change my gear ratio after all!

I'd really perfer 2.65 gears though. Do you know of any 210mm ASD application that came that way? W140 maybe?

Well, I installed a 2.65 LSD in my 560SEC some years ago.

A fellow forum member sold it to me, the donor vehicle was a 560SEC AMG that was imported from Japan and had found its way to the USA; I felt the 2.65 was a good compromise.

The 2.65 was the mildest diff for the AMG at the time, (mid-late 1980s) for the AMG w126, and US spec factory ones were the lazier 2:47 ones;

I had limited my choices though to either the 2.82 or the 2.65 and after looking for years had never found one; but the 2.65 was also good and a definite choice for a viable upgrade too.

Good luck in the search. I think it's worth the time and money.

clarkz71 · #**363** 02-25-2015, 10:24 AM

Gerry on 400E vs 500E, it's very intersting this flip flop on what he thinks.

Before:

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Originally Posted by gerryvz

The 400E is a significantly better value for the money, and they are easier to find (only 1,505 500E/E500s were brought into the USA) though the 400E is still fairly rare as compared to the 300E/E320s.
Whoever said that a 400E is 80% of a 500E is probably correct,
but that extra 20% is worth every penny if that's what floats your boat!!!

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Originally Posted by gerryvz

I've heard plenty of people say "well, a 400E is 80-90% of what a 500E is" and this is not true.
There is a much bigger difference than that.

But that fact is besides the point. I remember that certain F-body Camaro models of the past have also used slightly de-tuned variants of the Corvette C4 models' motors of that era, in effect making them a little brother in the all-important drivetrain area. But does that mean that a Corvette forum should cater to Camaro models with similar drivetrains? It's debatable.

compu_85 · #**364** 02-25-2015, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

Thanks for the info!

So let me get this straight. There's a cheap 210mm based factory posi just waiting for me somewhere in a junkyard?

There were ~3000 1991 3.5 diesel W126s sold, and I'd venture less than half had ASD (based on cars I've seen on eBay). So I wouldn't say there are tons of them laying around at this point.

-J

gsxr · #**365** 02-25-2015, 07:03 PM

Folks, there is a long-winded thread on MBWorld regarding the limited-slip upgrade options. It's different for various chassis, ring gear sizes, and ratios. And it isn't cheap. Keep in mind the factory clutch-type LSD's wear out, cannot be bench tested, and cost several hundred dollars to refresh the clutch packs (parts only - that doesn't include labor). If you happen to get a used one that fits your car cheap, don't get too excited until after it's installed and painting elevenses. Anyway, the other thread has more details...

szvook · #**366** 02-25-2015, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

Hey Stevo, did you notice how Roma is calling Ger Ger Uncle Gerry now? Remember our conversation about "human conditioning"?

Yeah, the twat has been called Uncle for a while now on the board...let's not tarnish this thread anymore with his existence.

INSIDIOUS · #**367** 02-25-2015, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr

Folks, there is a long-winded thread on MBWorld regarding the limited-slip upgrade options. It's different for various chassis, ring gear sizes, and ratios. And it isn't cheap. Keep in mind the factory clutch-type LSD's wear out, cannot be bench tested, and cost several hundred dollars to refresh the clutch packs (parts only - that doesn't include labor). If you happen to get a used one that fits your car cheap, don't get too excited until after it's installed and painting elevenses. Anyway, the other thread has more details...

And what a fine OT section they have over there

iwrock · #**368** 02-25-2015, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr

Folks, there is a long-winded thread on MBWorld regarding the limited-slip upgrade options. It's different for various chassis, ring gear sizes, and ratios. And it isn't cheap. Keep in mind the factory clutch-type LSD's wear out, cannot be bench tested, and cost several hundred dollars to refresh the clutch packs (parts only - that doesn't include labor). If you happen to get a used one that fits your car cheap, don't get too excited until after it's installed and painting elevenses. Anyway, the other thread has more details...

What about a "lincoln locker"?

400Eric · #**369** 02-25-2015, 10:36 PM

Justin!!! Did you get your XJR yet? When are you going to join us at the track?

I don't think the "lincoln locker" idea is going to appeal much to Dave's sensibilties.

Jim, Compu, and Dave, thanks for the diff. info!

Clark, I do believe that it was in fact ME that was the very first one to coin the phrase "the 400E is 85% the car that a 500E is for a fraction of the cost", and I do believe that Ger Ger knows that. He just doesn't want to give me credit. (Not that I'm talking about that guy or anything.)

400Eric · #**370** 02-25-2015, 11:17 PM

The more I think about this, the more confussed I get.

Dave, you've told me in the past not to mess with factory LSDs because they are usually worn out anyways and now you have once again reitterated that above (in so many words). My turbo Volvo 940 wagon (945 in Volvo speak) has over 233,000 miles on it and yet it's posi is still nice and tight. Why is it unreasonable to expect that a 200,000+ mile MB posi would still be OK? My 945 came with a complete history dating back to it's infancy and no, it's never had any diff work done.

It's just unacceptable to me to have to spend $2,000+ on an LSD for a Benzer. UNACCEPTABLE!!! As I said before, I can buy a whole decent 940 turbo for that amount of money with a nice, tight posi already included!

400Eric · #**371** 02-25-2015, 11:56 PM

Is this the thread Dave? Limited Slip Differentials for W124's?? - MBWorld.org Forums

I had a hard time finding it because I was using "gsxr" in my search.

iwrock · #**372** 02-25-2015, 11:59 PM

Lincoln Locker Eric!!!

iwrock · #**373** 02-26-2015, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

Justin!!! Did you get your XJR yet? When are you going to join us at the track?

I don't think the "lincoln locker" idea is going to appeal much to Dave's sensibilties.

Jim, Compu, and Dave, thanks for the diff. info!

Clark, I do believe that it was in fact ME that was the very first one to coin the phrase "the 400E is 85% the car that a 500E is for a fraction of the cost", and I do believe that Ger Ger knows that. He just doesn't want to give me credit. (Not that I'm talking about that guy or anything.)

I deviated and bought a Ducati...

I'm still on the hunt for a project XJR.

gsxr · #**374** 02-26-2015, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

My turbo Volvo 940 wagon (945 in Volvo speak) has over 233,000 miles on it and yet it's posi is still nice and tight. Why is it unreasonable to expect that a 200,000+ mile MB posi would still be OK? My 945 came with a complete history dating back to it's infancy and no, it's never had any diff work done.

I don't know enough about the Volvo posi design to offer any theory or explanation as to why their posi seems to last forever. Maybe it's a Gleason-Torsen?

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

It's just unacceptable to me to have to spend $2,000+ on an LSD for a Benzer. UNACCEPTABLE!!!

If you can find a used one for sale, it could be done under half that... which is probably still too much for the Benzer budget.

I think someone mentioned on the MBD thread about having a 400E/500E LSD for sale at a very reasonable price, but I can't remember if it was ABS or ASR. After replacing clutch packs on two factory LSD's, I lost interest and personally would only use Quaife or WaveTrac now (no clutches to wear out, lifetime warranty). Costs more up front, saves in the long run.

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

Is this the thread Dave? Limited Slip Differentials for W124's?? - MBWorld.org Forums

Yep, I do b'lieve that is it. I haven't been over there in many, many moons...

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Originally Posted by 400Eric

I had a hard time finding it because I was using "gsxr" in my search.

Yeah, even ten years ago someone beat me to the 'gsxr' handle on that forum, so I had to pick something else when registering. I doubt they're even active anymore.

gsxr · #**375** 02-26-2015, 10:00 AM

OK, so, where MB used basically the same design LSD through the 1970's, 80's, and 90's... Volvo apparently had seventeen (approximately) different variations include assorted Dana lockers. Which might explain why your 940 still has elevenses capability with over 200k on the clock. Can't tell more without knowing exactly what diff is in your 940.

https://www.google.com/search?num=20&site=&source=hp&q=volvo+940+limited+slip+differential&oq=volvo+940+limited+slip

http://www.davebarton.com/volvorearends.html

http://www.turbobricks.com/mods.php?content=art0014

http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=173462