Mercedes-Benz fined $1.5 billion for emissions cheating - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Dubyagee · #1 09-15-2020, 06:59 PM

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mercedes-benz-emissions-cheating-1-5-billion-fine-daimler/?fbclid=IwAR1NKhHGxGLi0PWxzqO8MMzginmLeMZ_oL2lywRCJYbydAxXTTcv8v1nvyw

“Automaker Daimler AG and subsidiary Mercedes-Benz USA have agreed to pay $1.5 billion to the U.S. government and California state regulators to resolve allegations they cheated on emissions tests, officials said Monday.”

barry12345 · #2 09-15-2020, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubyagee

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mercedes-benz-emissions-cheating-1-5-billion-fine-daimler/?fbclid=IwAR1NKhHGxGLi0PWxzqO8MMzginmLeMZ_oL2lywRCJYbydAxXTTcv8v1nvyw

“Automaker Daimler AG and subsidiary Mercedes-Benz USA have agreed to pay $1.5 billion to the U.S. government and California state regulators to resolve allegations they cheated on emissions tests, officials said Monday.”

A lot of money certainly. Yet not enough to do any permanent damage to the company. Mercedes total losses would be a lot more than this overall.

About the same result with Volkswagon. Who really got clobbered To the tune of 38 billion overall. Well that is their estimate. Yet if you look at their dollar volume per year it is bearable.

Dubyagee · #3 09-15-2020, 08:00 PM

Yeah. It was a slap on the nose but one wonders what refit and buyback costs could be.

rmasteller · #4 09-15-2020, 11:13 PM

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Yeah. It was a slap on the nose but one wonders what refit and buyback costs could be.

No buyback, if I understand correctly.

pawoSD · #5 09-16-2020, 01:51 PM

On my GLK it looks like I get essentially a full exhaust system replacement + looong warranty on said components. Awesomenessss.

This will be the car's second exhaust system.....

Other than the dpf and two nox sensors its been completely reliable....including the adblue system, no errors or issues at all. Just crossed 90,000 miles a few days ago.

barry12345 · #6 09-16-2020, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

On my GLK it looks like I get essentially a full exhaust system replacement + looong warranty on said components. Awesomenessss.

This will be the car's second exhaust system.....

Other than the dpf and two nox sensors its been completely reliable....including the adblue system, no errors or issues at all. Just crossed 90,000 miles a few days ago.

Ask them for the old exhaust system they remove. Worth trying in my opinion. Depends if they are told to throw those removed away or not.

Dan Stokes · #7 09-16-2020, 04:49 PM

Interesting! And no. you won't get the old system back. They will go back to M-B to be held in case there are any follow-up lawsuits and to prove compliance with this one. It is enough fine to get their attention but not enough to put them out of business - EPA structures fines in part to have these effects.

Dan

RunningTooHot · #8 09-23-2020, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

On my GLK it looks like I get essentially a full exhaust system replacement + looong warranty on said components. Awesomenessss.

Does anyone have more information about the nature of any extended warranty? Specifically, time or mileage restrictions? Please know that I did read the linked articles, but I didn't see any specifics mentioned.

This development makes it seem like the purchase of one of these later model diesels may be a more viable option now than before. Previously, my concern would have been dealing with the high expense of any potential emissions related parts failures.

pawoSD · #9 09-23-2020, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RunningTooHot

Does anyone have more information about the nature of any extended warranty? Specifically, time or mileage restrictions? Please know that I did read the linked articles, but I didn't see any specifics mentioned.

This development makes it seem like the purchase of one of these later model diesels may be a more viable option now than before. Previously, my concern would have been dealing with the high expense of any potential emissions related parts failures.

No mileage restrictions, I read through much of the document and it pretty much says MB is on the hook to keep these cars exhaust systems in check on their dime for the life of the vehicle....so if thats 300k, that might be their hard luck.

Skid Row Joe · #10 09-28-2020, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

On my GLK it looks like I get essentially a full exhaust system replacement + looong warranty on said components. Awesomenessss.

This will be the car's second exhaust system.....

Other than the dpf and two nox sensors its been completely reliable....including the adblue system, no errors or issues at all. Just crossed 90,000 miles a few days ago.

Doesn't sound like a vehicle I'd ever buy…..too costly & repeatedly problematic. After only 90K miles......wow!

pawoSD · #11 09-28-2020, 05:13 PM

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Doesn't sound like a vehicle I'd ever buy…..too costly & repeatedly problematic. After only 90K miles......wow!

Its been the least maintenance needy MB I've ever owned along with my W210 and brand new Metris....

Far less than the old ones.....Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar less.

Its a blast to drive....369lbs of torque off the line just rockets it forward with ease. 30+mpg in a 4,400lb SUV

And it doesn't turn to rust-dust in the Michigan winter, always a nice bonus.

My normal annual servicing is adding some ad-blue....and an oil change, maybe an air filter/fuel filter if needed, which are super easy to replace.

Did the differential gear oil a while back, also not a big deal. I have the tool to force fluid up into the diff/tranny from below (for the front diff), and the rear one was the same as the old cars.

pawoSD · #12 09-16-2020, 09:17 PM

Yeah with this stuff they usually take back the old one (if anything, for rebuilding or updating) + recycling/proving that was completed.

WDBCB20 · #13 09-17-2020, 07:23 PM

Meanwhile semis merrily go belching forth across the North American continent where one truck has the polluting footprint of half the entire "cheating" cars fleet.

pawoSD · #14 09-17-2020, 11:52 PM

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Meanwhile semis merrily go belching forth across the North American continent where one truck has the polluting footprint of half the entire "cheating" cars fleet.

Yep.

Imagine the emissions that will be created producing tens of thousands of components for those exhaust system replacements, recycling the old, and shipping all that stuff (on massive polluting container ships).

I wonder how many forests were cleared to make all the paper used in the lawsuits....

Its all a vicious circle with no real success in actually eliminating any emissions.

tjts1 · #15 09-18-2020, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

Yep.

Imagine the emissions that will be created producing tens of thousands of components for those exhaust system replacements, recycling the old, and shipping all that stuff (on massive polluting container ships).

I wonder how many forests were cleared to make all the paper used in the lawsuits....

Its all a vicious circle with no real success in actually eliminating any emissions.

It must be fun making up your own imaginary statistics about emissions to deflect from the fact that Mercedes Benz broke our laws, lied and cheated on order to make more profits selling us dirty cars.