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Proper diesel no longer available in USA for modern diesels?
This syndicated article appeared in our local paper:
Mercedes says goodbye to diesel in North America | Driving Basically says that diesel fuel currently and in future available in USA will ruin our modern diesels and will void warranties. Is it true that B5 diesel is not widely available? This is what article claims: Quote:
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Interesting....so it sounds like that this would even apply to the OM648 in my 06 CDI?
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Could be, but I wonder how accurate the article is. With the number of modern diesels on the road in USA, can you imagine not having B5 or better available?
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In saying 'B5 or better,' do you mean less than 5% bio products?
It appeared to me that anything equal to or less than 5% was ok. Did I miss something?
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Luckily around here, and in TigerTown, we can still get B5 for our two common rail MLs.
They do mark the pump with a B20 label if it’s B20. I would like to know exactly what the issue is with > B5? Eats seals? Clogs injectors? Damages the pump?
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This must be a regional thing. There is no biodiesel, B5 or otherwise, anywhere in the DC metro area. There used to be several B20 and B100 pumps in the area, but they all disappeared a few years ago.
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For me, I have traveled all throughout the West coast with diesels only of course and I can say it is a rare thing to see a pump with B20. There are a few websites that list B99 and B100 stations, but you generally have to drive far out of your way to find them.
I can't see this being too much of an issue because the majority of diesel is consumed by commercial trucking and as an industry, they are not going to accept any damage from biodiesel. Dkr. |
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no you got that right. You are missing part about that not being available.
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Did you read the MBUSA link above?
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I wonder if those big diesels are as susceptible to damage as the small auto diesels. I need to read that MBUSA link again, but it seemed a big problem was dilution of lube oil with fuel.
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I don't doubt that the fuel quality is an issue, but how come other manufacturers aren't having the problems that MB is? Look at all the PowerSmokes and their ilk on the road and they seem to be doing fine... Even Chevrolet has the Cruze diesel on the market over here. Maybe MB should ditch that stupid 10K mile OCI, that would certainly help with oil dilution issues.
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I live in northern Virginia. That has been my experience too. It's all 40 cetane. I could drive 30 miles and get 50; I figure that's harder on the car than using 40. |
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Boy, I'm glad I'll still be driving my vintage diesel, then! It loves B99.
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I've read similar warnings about B5 or greater over on the TDI club forums. VW apparently didn't recommend it in their diesels beginning with the common rail models. I wonder if the biodiesel problem is directly related to cr designs. (Odd that they were so adamant about B5+ in their warranty literature while they were singlehandedly taking actions behind the scenes that would nearly kill the diesel passenger car market in the US... but I digress).
I'm with you Squiggle Dog... when I bought my 02 TDI 4 years ago, I specifically got an ALH engine so I could run biodiesel with near impunity. We have a local biodiesel plant in the town where I work and they have a biodiesel pump a couple miles from where I live. My TDI loves the stuff (as did my '84 300D and my current '91 300D). In all three cars, the sweet spot seems to be around B30-B50. They all run better, smoother, quieter and gain about 1-2 mpg (vs. ULSD or B100).
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Yup, same here no bio diesel anywhere, there is 50 cetane diesel,but it's very far away in the boonies. It's out west in Windsor.
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