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Old 06-04-2017, 04:52 PM
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I started using Opti-lube because the PO of my CDI had used it from Day 1. Ends up being pretty cheap...a $15 quart bottle goes 10,000 miles.

Not sure why there would be a dosing problem...just measure precisely...two oz. per 20 gal.

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Old 06-04-2017, 04:58 PM
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I would be very surprised if Mercedes/Bosch bothered to go back and test old injection systems with new low-sulfur fuels in any meaningful way. "Seems to still run fine" isn't enough for me personally. There's no way they've tested them for thousands of hours to measure longevity with less lubrication.

Injection pumps don't last forever, despite what many say. On this board we're starting to see more and more people with issues that were only resolved by servicing injection pump parts. Is it the new fuels or just age? Hard to say, but I'd like to give mine the best odds I can.

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Bosch has tested the new low sulfur fuels. Although there were lubricity issues when first introduced around 2006, top tier fuels presently meet lubricity requirements for Bosch Fuel pumps. Not sure if pre-2006 fuel pumps actually required substantially higher lubricity than today's pumps.
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I use DieselKleen, mainly for smoke. Does it add lubricity too?
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I started using Opti-lube because the PO of my CDI had used it from Day 1. Ends up being pretty cheap...a $15 quart bottle goes 10,000 miles.

Not sure why there would be a dosing problem...just measure precisely...two oz. per 20 gal.

My experience is that I don't "measure precisely" getting exactly 2oz. Two oz for example is a pretty small amount and it is easy to end up with 2.5 or 3 or 4 oz and the result is the nice cheap opti becomes more expensive. I suppose that I "could" carry a shot glass around but didn't. My other reason to go with 2-stroke is that it is easy to come by and doesn't require special effort other than going to WallyWorld which for me is easier that obtaining the Opti.

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I use DieselKleen, mainly for smoke. Does it add lubricity too?
It apparently doesn't add much.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lubricity+study&t=ffab&ia=web

Note that the dosage per oz in the above pdf can be adjusted to get comparable results and converted to dollars at today's prices.
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Old 06-04-2017, 06:34 PM
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How 'bout this for data points.

Bio diesel apparently has zero sulfur.

Some run all sorts of used motor oil / other waste oils that have to be worse than LS diesel in terms of acid content / grit and claim no ill effects.

Some run Jet-A, I wonder what sulfur content that has?
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Old 06-04-2017, 11:55 PM
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It works fine to do so. Can have some stabilizing properties too.

I have noticed when I tried to run a little in my DI BMW 135i, that the tailpipe was a lot sootier when using it (and my treat rate was pretty small). Stop the 2-stroke oil and the soot went away. Our diesels can be pretty sooty, not sure you want more...
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Bosch has tested the new low sulfur fuels. Although there were lubricity issues when first introduced around 2006, top tier fuels presently meet lubricity requirements for Bosch Fuel pumps. Not sure if pre-2006 fuel pumps actually required substantially higher lubricity than today's pumps.
I wonder if the OM606 needs extra lubrication. My son drives our 98 so I don't put the Opti-lube in it.
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ATF isn't designed to be burnt and will have a high ash content leading to carbonized combustion chambers / injector nozzles. Granted, the amount you are using isn't like the " I'll burn anything " crowd.



Oh, the irony. . .

Dont use more than 100(!) gallons of it a year, , , , a quart lasts me 2+ years.

Oh, the irony. . . ???
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Dont use more than 100(!) gallons of it a year, , , , a quart lasts me 2+ years.

Oh, the irony. . . ???
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"I applaud your elaborate system of denial"



. . That you feel ATF is a good fuel additive.
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. . That you feel ATF is a good fuel additive.
Having burnt some ATF I have to agree. NASTY stuff. I certainly wouldn't want to be following someone burning it in their car.
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It works fine to do so. Can have some stabilizing properties too.

I have noticed when I tried to run a little in my DI BMW 135i, that the tailpipe was a lot sootier when using it (and my treat rate was pretty small). Stop the 2-stroke oil and the soot went away. Our diesels can be pretty sooty, not sure you want more...
I'm sorry I left out one important detail the Napa guy told me. "be sure to use TC-W3 two cycle oil" it is ashless and will not create soot!
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I use DieselKleen, mainly for smoke. Does it add lubricity too?
DieselKleen is good for reducing smoke because it is a cetane booster. As you may know, the cetane booster helps shorten the delay of combustion inside the cylinder, which leads to less smoke among other things as well.

DieselKleen adds a small amount of lubricity, but it is mainly a cetane booster and detergent. There are plenty of lubricant additives out there to use, but the best lubricant is biodiesel if you have it in your area.
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Just chiming in with current best practice, which is to prime fuel filters via the hand primer pump, and NOT prefill or add anything to fuel filters. Anything added straight from a fuel can or bottle is not filtered, and can allow contaminants to reach the IP and injectors. Any additives should go in the tank, not in the fuel filter, so that it gets filtered.

Before everyone jumps on me, I'm aware that this isn't a huge concern for most of these older diesels with 10 micron nominal filters, they're just not that picky. Newer applications requiring finer filtration should definitely use the current procedures, and it certainly won't hurt anything on the older engines.
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What about Lucas additives?

I'm sure Lucas makes some 'magic pill' for diesels too. They said their Upper Cylinder Lubricant is what they recommend.

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Just chiming in with current best practice, which is to prime fuel filters via the hand primer pump, and NOT prefill or add anything to fuel filters. Anything added straight from a fuel can or bottle is not filtered, and can allow contaminants to reach the IP and injectors. Any additives should go in the tank, not in the fuel filter, so that it gets filtered.

No prefill is standard practice for CAT diesels for the reason you mention.

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