Considering that they get better fuel mileage than most cars on the road, I'd say it's a good bet they'll leave us alone.

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Codifex
1981 240D ChinaBlue (Got her running with a donor engine.)
1983 300DTurbo w/sunroof.
1984 300TD manual sunroof. (Electrical Gremlins)

I'm glad that most of you are positive about this - I don't want to bring you all down!

I do think it is quite likely the beginning of the end - these are the last days of steam!

Still all is not lost for us DIYers - just think - the W123 is made in such a way that the differential could be removed and two electric motors could be put in its place with modified (shorter but sharper turning) axles and you've got your car back...

...well so long as you can afford a good set of batteries!

The batteries for the Tesla S are apparently only about 500kg => that's not too far off the weight of an OM617 and a transmission (well OK it is a bit more I think).

Still not bad for a weekend's work eh?

(I'll wrap up warm in the winter!)

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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver
1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone
1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy!
1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing

I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior



Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

Did a lot of driving over the weekend. Drove from Sacramento to Los Angeles. I took the trip with my best friend who is a diesel mechanic. We talked a lot about the whole issue of diesels impact on the state. Seeing as we drove across the whole thing. Its funny to see the state from 2 completely different points of view. As some have said in this thread, the port cities are gross with diesel exhaust. So people living there see diesels as evil, causing health problem. From this point of view diesels are bad. Then you get to the central valley and you see every farmer running diesel, it runs their lives, from this point of view diesel is a god send. both points of view make since to me. here is where I have a problem. The farmer is growing plants. sure hes running a diesel tractor, pickup, semi trucks to haul his goods to market... hes using his fair share of diesel. But HE IS GROWING PLANTS! which are air scrubbers, he is reducing the carbon in the air, more then he is polluting it. OK. then look at the port cities, there is nothing happening there to use up the carbon being produced by the diesel trucks. so you get toxic levels.

Add into this the classic California power struggle. WATER. Farmers in the central valley are running out of water as its all being shipped to LA. so we're producing less crops as a state, yet growing the population in the cities. SO what do you get. More voters who see diesels as evil, and you get more CO2 in the air because there is less plant growth.

All this leads to the failure of CA. Not even talking about the political problems in Sacramento with the budget.

When you put restrictions on diesels state wide that effects the already struggling agriculture industry in CA. This is not good for CA's economy or the air quality. But this will never be understood by the mass of California voters who live in the LA basin.

California is really a screwed up place. Problem is CA is a like a petri dish for the USA and the world. We have all the problems that you'll see in any democracy where the majority of the voters are not connected to the land they depend.

I'm sure this post is a little to political for Diesel Discussion, but I think diesel is becoming a political issue, and that is what is going to someday kill them.

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If United-Nations has its evil way with 'Agenda 21' No One will be driving Anything by 2050, let alone a 50 year old Diesel Mercedes!

--ie, No personal transport of Any Motorised type!

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Alastair AKA H.C.II South Wales, U.K. based member

W123, 1985 300TD Wagon, 256K,
-Most recent M.B. purchase, Cost-a-plenty, Gulps BioDiesel extravagantly, and I love it like an old dog.

W114, 1975 280E Custard Yellow,
-Great above decks needs chassis welding--Really will do it this year....

If they can get the algae origin oil feedstock going, we might be able to wean alot of older diesels off dino. Then, the new diesels can also burn biodiesel and utilize greater efficiency NOx capture. When that happens, diesels will be ultra clean compared to gas/petrol.

The algae will remove the carbon from the air better than any other sequestration method I could think of.

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Codifex
1981 240D ChinaBlue (Got her running with a donor engine.)
1983 300DTurbo w/sunroof.
1984 300TD manual sunroof. (Electrical Gremlins)

Interesting....

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Did you just pass my 740 at 200 kmh in a 300SD?????

1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013



100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership

When you say "How much longer will they let us drive our cars." You should remember that "they" are us. We put "them" in charge so we should be able to have "them" serve us.

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85 Merc 300D - Unwinding 31 years of wear
86 VW TD
Mahindra Diesel
Iseki Diesel

In 2007 I didn't own a diesel.

Revolucion!!!!!

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Did you just pass my 740 at 200 kmh in a 300SD?????

1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013



100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership

Am I missing something?

I can't find any mention of that kind of "solution" here =>

DSD :: Resources - Publications - Core Publications

or here =>

A/CONF.151/26 (Vol. I) REPORT OF THE UNITED NATIONS CONFERENCE ON ENVIRONMENT AND DEVELOPMENT

(Principle 23 looks like a good excuse for occupation to me!)

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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver
1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone
1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy!
1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing

I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior



Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

Only very rich minorities have the power to sway "them"...

...until you are are rich "they" are not "us"!

(Despite the recent why they killed the electric car theories!)

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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver
1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone
1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy!
1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing

I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior



Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

Sorry a bit OT (but that's kind of me)...

"does anyone know why the Tesla S is so heavy?" 'cos it ain't the batteries they are a bit under 500kg and the total weight of the car is something like 2 tons - what is it? 1.5 tons of satnav and shi...

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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver
1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone
1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy!
1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing

I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior



Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

well..I'm toying with idea to convert my SEC to electric (did I say toying )
but it seem that I choose heaviest car around these days so it is bit
complicated...but as my daily commute is 30km or so.. it is doable
Surely I would miss my summer cross-Europe trips but....

basic calculations say that 6 000 euros would be quite sufficient (DIY LiPOFe setup) which is not
a lot if you consider price for Ampera or similar utopia over here.


and guys....did I say...toying with idea



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w126 500SEC gen II euro, powered by OM617 turbo stolen from 84 300SD 2.88 diff,EGR blinded
next wish/project: w114 coupe OM603 powered

I think we should start a thread and gather some data - how about it?

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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver
1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone
1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy!
1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing

I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior



Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

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Roger that

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w126 500SEC gen II euro, powered by OM617 turbo stolen from 84 300SD 2.88 diff,EGR blinded
next wish/project: w114 coupe OM603 powered

The windings and circuitry,,,,

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Did you just pass my 740 at 200 kmh in a 300SD?????

1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013



100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership