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10-20-2006, 02:57 PM
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1990 W124 300D Problem
Hi.
I'm new to this website forum and hope i can get some friendly advice. I have a W124 300 six cylinder diesel estate (UK term for stationwagon?). Anyway, since filling with biodiesel several compression leaks have started from near to the injector bodies.The leaks (sounds like a chuffing noise) are from the same place. There appear to be small holes in the head just next to the steel inserts that take the plastic heat shrouds, and the leaks appear to be coming from there. The engine is running badly with plenty of smoke from the exhaust. I also noticed that the coolant temp went higher than normal and i get a lot of clatter on tick over. My thoughts on this are that the biodiesel is causing pre-ignition. The mixture is igniting in the pre-chamber for some reason. Any help greatly appreciated. Ian England, UK Last edited by TVRTASMIN; 10-23-2006 at 08:27 AM. 
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10-21-2006, 04:13 AM
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The engine is a 603.912 .
There is definately compression being lost .I cannot see that just by replacing a plasting heat shield, the problem will be solved. The heat shields are made from a hard plastic which locate in this steel ring type insert in the head. The injector then slips between to screw it into the head. The shield obviously is not a tight fit around the injector and could be classed as being cosmetic as i have seen on some engines these shrouds or sheilds are broken for the most part. Maybe it is the injector sealing washers, and the compression is finding it's way up the back of this metal insert somehow. The engine ran fine even from stone cold until i filled with 100% Biodiesel. Within 10 miles smoke was coming from the exhaust and this chuffing noise coming from this hole near to the injectors.
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10-21-2006, 10:12 AM
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I hesitate to transfer this thread myself as you have some answers already, but I heartily encourage you to start another thread on the Diesel forum too.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/ Gilly
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10-21-2006, 02:49 PM
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Could be a terminology issue. I don't mean the plastic shrouds around the injectors. I don't think those are heat shields but I don't know what they are. When they break in the US, the dealer doesn't replace them. I mean the heat shields between the prechamber and the firing tip of the injector.
These things - http://catalog.eautopartscatalog.com/mercedesshop/sophio/wizard.jsp?partner=mercedesshop&clientid=catalog.mercedesshop&baseurl=http://catalog.peachparts.com/&cookieid=1UF05A51E1XC0VPIWH&year=1993&make=MB&model=300-SD-003&category=All&part=Injector+Heat+Shield Sixto 93 300SD
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10-21-2006, 03:27 PM
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Sixto, those parts you linked to are the injector seals, those need to be there. The place I was at always replaced the plastic part too, but can't remember what they called them in the shop.
Gilly
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10-21-2006, 03:43 PM
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I think they called the plastic parts "shields". I assume you mean THOSE are NLA. The injector seals still HAVE to be available. They just do............
Gilly
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10-21-2006, 04:05 PM
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Yes
 The guys at Smythe told me the plastic shroud things are NLA. Maybe they're called shields. I don't remember. The heat shields are definitely available. For some reason dealer ones are black anodized and third-party ones are shiny brass colored. Sixto 93 300SD
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10-21-2006, 05:05 PM
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The part you posted a picture of are called injector seals, never heard anyone refer to those as heat shields. Oh well, as long as you can get 'em I wouldn't care what they call 'em.
Gilly
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#12
10-21-2006, 05:58 PM
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Gilly, could the biodiesel have caused the prechamber seals to leak?
I've never heard of this personally, but I suppose it's possible. If that were the case, compression would leak out around the prechamber lock ring. I've seen a leaky injector seal (had two in my old 220D as the old original "tophat" seal was still in there and I put a new ring type seal one top). Won't cause serious compression loss though, just ooze. The other possibility is that there was considerable suspended glycol/sodium hydroxide sludge in the biodiesel, but that would have affected every vehicle filled up with it. Would wreck the IP first, I think. Peter
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10-21-2006, 08:41 PM
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Peter
I think there's guys at the Diesel Discussion forum that would know better than I. No clear idea on my part on why the fuel type would bother the injector seals. Gilly
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#14
10-23-2006, 10:21 AM
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OK. I think i have found my problem here;
Help: injector / prechamber / heatshield leak But why would this start straight from using Biodiesel? Ian
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10-23-2006, 11:52 AM
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Sounds like the original poster expected to find compression seals like in the 61x engines.
My guess is the compression leak is unrelated to using biodiesel. Just a coincidence. I use a magnet to remove the injector seals. Once I did a compression test without removing the seals and they all jumped out. If they're stuck, try cranking the engine with the injectors off. And I'm not the only one who calls them heat shields Sixto 93 300SD Last edited by sixto; 10-23-2006 at 04:09 PM.
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